We've got a major problem...

Guybrush · 08-17-2013, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes, I agree that people do indeed to that. In fact that's very much the MO of the person we are discussing. Notice how, despite my attempt to remove the derail, he still succeeded in making the conversation focus on him.

We have some site rules. They basically lay down the ground rules for the interactions that go on here.

From what I can tell, he operates within the rules, but the people who get upset with him have often been breaking them. Rules were broken in order to escalate the situation. As enforcers of the rules, what should you do?

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with Sopsych. No really, I don't. But people doing so should still be expected to stick to the rules.

**Janszoon** · 08-17-2013, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

We have some site rules. They basically lay down the ground rules for the interactions that go on here.

From what I can tell, he operates within the rules, but the people who get upset with him have often been breaking them. Rules were broken in order to escalate the situation. As enforcers of the rules, what should you do?

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with Sopsych. No really, I don't. But people doing so should still be expected to stick to the rules.

Yes, we have rules, including a rule against trolling, as you well know. Should people be allowed to break that rule as long as they praise you personally or do think it should be enforced?

Guybrush · 08-17-2013, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes, we have rules, including a rule against trolling, as you well know. Should people be allowed to break that rule as long as they praise you personally or do think it should be enforced?

I think his opinions are genuine opinions that he holds. I don't think his goal is to irritate. He just voices his opinions here like others do.

I think you call it trolling when it really isn't because defining it as trolling gives you more power over it.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

So I'll ask the same question I asked in the other thread that nobody answered.
Do I get rid of the bunch of members that are contributing who are getting fed up of having all their efforts dismissed?
Or do I get rid of the person that's dismissing all those efforts and has openly said that they have no intention of doing anything positive?

That's how things are right now.

Moderate when the rules are being broken. Ask people to calm down when tempers get high. Perhaps you can mention that there is always the option of placing someone on the ignore list. Try not to get involved in the drama and don't resort to name-calling like openly calling a member a troll. You're only making yourself an active participant in the troubles you should prevent.

By not simply enforcing the rules, you are moderating from the point of view of your personal interests rather than the set of rules and guidelines that we're all meant to follow - and which you are meant to enforce.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-17-2013, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

I think you call it trolling when it really isn't because defining it as trolling gives you more power over it.

If going into a thread about making the forum a better place and saying openly you have no intention of doing just that isn't trolling then I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by tore

Moderate when the rules are being broken. Ask people to calm down when tempers get high. Perhaps you can mention that there is always the option of placing someone on the ignore list. Try not to get involved in the drama and don't resort to name-calling like openly calling a member a troll. You're only making yourself an active participant in the troubles you should prevent.

By not simply enforcing the rules, you are moderating from the point of view of your personal interests rather than the set of rules and guidelines that we're all meant to follow - and which you are meant to enforce.

Huh?
Did I not just say

'I have told both sides to stop and have deleted posts to deal with this.
This clearly hasn't solved the problem.'

I don't really see how that has anything to do with personal interests.

Guybrush · 08-17-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

If going into a thread about making the forum a better place and saying openly you have no intention of doing just that isn't trolling then I don't know what is.

I agree that "being the change" can make sense, but in this case I don't think it is enough. I don't know why Sopsych doesn't want to try, but I can think of reasons why I think it is not a lasting solution.

This is a harsh comparison because I generally enjoy MB and the community here, but being the change right now is something I generally see as a way to treat the symptom, but not the disease. It is better to treat the disease and the symptoms will disappear and you won't need to hold them in check with constant effort from every member on the forums.

Guybrush · 08-17-2013, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I don't really see how that has anything to do with personal interests.

The rules say trolls should be moderated. You suggest getting rid of the person who is getting trolled rather than the trolls. This is not in accordance with the rules, so what is it?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-17-2013, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

The rules say trolls should be moderated. You suggest getting rid of the person who is getting trolled rather than the trolls. This is not in accordance with the rules, so what is it?

In your opinion he's being trolled.
In mine he's just as guilty as anyone.
so it goes back to my original question.

**Janszoon** · 08-17-2013, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

I think his opinions are genuine opinions that he holds. I don't think his goal is to irritate. He just voices his opinions here like others do.

I think you call it trolling when it really isn't because defining it as trolling gives you more power over it.

I call it trolling because it's trolling. Pretty simple really.

djchameleon · 08-17-2013, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Ask people to calm down when tempers get high. Perhaps you can mention that there is always the option of placing someone on the ignore list.

asking someone to calm down or saying relax/chill out when tempers get high especially publicly has a tendency to make people more agitated. I think this should be done in private through PMs.