I've been going for the win in that category all year by derailing arguments and drama with nonsense. :(

i started it and i'm proud

FYI, when it comes to stopping and detaining someone, probable cause is not the standard. Reasonable suspicion is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

Statistics only show so much. Even the FBI is disappointing in the lack of statistical information we have on crime rates and police killings. Statistics on killings are just an estimation at this point especially since most areas are not required to report it. Trust me, I've done extensive research on this.

More white people are shot than black people because there are more white than black in this country. But black people are killed at a vastly disproportionate rate than white people. And Native American's are really really bad too. Natives are still being slaughtered.

Now black people are disproportionately convicted of more crimes than white people. That doesn't mean black people are more likely to be criminals. That means they are more likely to be found guilty. Now in a nation where black people are already seen as criminals from the jump it's easy to target black people over white people there for you will catch more black criminals at a disproportionate rate. Also remember that statistically black people are more likely to be found guilty and are more likely to get harsher sentences. Now there could be several different reasons for this that can be speculated with out a full statistic analysis of every bit of information. We are really lacking a lot here in statistics because how many blacks getting harsher sentences are getting it because of past crimes or gang affiliation? Or how many innocent white people have been falsely convicted of crimes compared to innocent black? How often are white people checked compared to black? And the most important statistic that we will never know, how many white people get away with crime compared to black?

With leaked information like that police station where the officer was getting lectured for not checking more black and Hispanic people and statistics we do have a proof that black people are being targeted.

Whether or not black people do commit more crimes or not, it's not okay to use that to justify innocent black people being murdered and it's not okay to justify ****ty laws like stop and frisk. I know stop and frisk seems like it makes sense to YOU, but all it's really going to do is cause more tension than there already is. Treating people like animals or property like that, despite the intent, will only make things worse. If you want to stop these problems lets start at fixing these communities and helping them get out of their situation rather than alienating them with unfair practice.

Also, this is not just a simple issue. It's multiple issues. It's a race issue, a cultural issue, a police brutality issue and a class issue. All simple issues that are intertwining with each other.

Edit: Perhaps this discussion should be moved to a different thread.

ftfy

Yes to all of this, bravo.

Yeah I think I lost that one this year.

First of all, I didn't say stop and frisk was okay. All I'm saying is the issue is a lot more complex than "minorities are being shot at a disproportional rate" because it isn't that simple when we actually look at the numbers. This issue is more about an abuse of power and poor training than it is racism. Making this an issue of race is only causing fear in African American communities and making them treat cops like they're the enemy, which leads to even more issues.

And can you blame them? If someone was coming around my place that I honestly believed was going to shoot me based solely on my race, I would be terrified as well.

If you are the perpetrator, I'd hate to see what you think of Frownland and his "mediating" skills.

I technically started this whole thing with my appreciation of Freebase Dali's modding skillz.