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The Batlord · 05-03-2021, 07:58 PM

Less Joe Stalin and more Joe Hill.

Neapolitan · 05-03-2021, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Bourgeois college kids are the worst. Dip****s that think it's cute to use Stalin as their profile pic do more harm than good to the movement.

Everytime a Bougeois hipster in college uses a Stalin as an avatar bad luck befalls the party and some poor soul is spared from dying in a famine. They call it Murphov's Law.

Lucem Ferre · 05-03-2021, 08:31 PM

Then there's the people that think Stalin some how caused the drought that lead to the great famine and that the USSR didn't live past that moment.

SGR · 05-03-2021, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Then there's the people that think Stalin some how caused the drought that lead to the great famine

Wait...what do you think was the cause of the Holodomor? You don't think Stalin had anything to do with that?

The Batlord · 05-03-2021, 09:14 PM

Again, less Joe Stalin and more Joe Hill. The OG radical folk songwriter who inspired Woody Guthrie.

Who's been immortalized in song many times as a working class martyr for his life story.

Lucem Ferre · 05-03-2021, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Wait...what do you think was the cause of the Holodomor? You don't think Stalin had anything to do with that?

If that's when he hoarded resources away from the Ukrainians during the famine then yeah, he's a racist piece of **** but he didn't literally cause the droughts.

Which, OH has kind of defended saying that they were only treated that way because they refused to give up private ownership. I'm sure nobody is surprised by that.

~~jwb~~ · 05-04-2021, 02:44 AM

He didn't cause the droughts... Nobody literally ever argued he caused the droughts, dummy

He collectivized agriculture and used the crop yields to rapidly industrialize... And when famine conditions arose he continued to export the crop yields to pay for industrialization. The fact that you might've had a much smaller famine anyway based on natural factors doesn't erase the extra millions of lives that were intentionally sacrificed for the"greater good" of the states objectives

It wasn't racism that drove the policy either. It was simply the pragmatic circumstances of the fact that ukraine was the bread basket of the soviet empire.

The Batlord · 05-04-2021, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

He didn't cause the droughts... Nobody literally ever argued he caused the droughts, dummy

He collectivized agriculture and used the crop yields to rapidly industrialize... And when famine conditions arose he continued to export the crop yields to pay for industrialization. The fact that you might've had a much smaller famine anyway based on natural factors doesn't erase the extra millions of lives that were intentionally sacrificed for the"greater good" of the states objectives

It wasn't racism that drove the policy either. It was simply the pragmatic circumstances of the fact that ukraine was the bread basket of the soviet empire.

Alright you don't know what the Holodomor is. It was racism against the Ukrainians and Stalin was intentionally starving them, not for the purpose of industrialization, but for the purpose of starving them so they wouldn't resist the Soviets.

~~jwb~~ · 05-04-2021, 10:53 AM

Scholars continue to debate "whether the man-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide, or whether it was designed to simply cow Ukrainian peasants into submission, drive them into the collectives and ensure a steady supply of grain for Soviet industrialization."[94

From wiki

SGR · 05-04-2021, 11:20 AM

It is debated, but my understanding of it (forced collectivization policies in the five year plan) was that it was more motivated by class (Dekulakization) than by race/ethnicity. Which isn't to say there weren't plenty of examples racism and ethnic prejudice throughout Stalin's tenure. Regardless, the result was in effect genocide regardless of the motivations.

05-04-2021, 02:44 AM	#6847 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He didn't cause the droughts... Nobody literally ever argued he caused the droughts, dummy He collectivized agriculture and used the crop yields to rapidly industrialize... And when famine conditions arose he continued to export the crop yields to pay for industrialization. The fact that you might've had a much smaller famine anyway based on natural factors doesn't erase the extra millions of lives that were intentionally sacrificed for the"greater good" of the states objectives It wasn't racism that drove the policy either. It was simply the pragmatic circumstances of the fact that ukraine was the bread basket of the soviet empire.

05-04-2021, 10:53 AM	#6849 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Scholars continue to debate "whether the man-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide, or whether it was designed to simply cow Ukrainian peasants into submission, drive them into the collectives and ensure a steady supply of grain for Soviet industrialization."[94 From wiki

05-04-2021, 11:20 AM	#6850 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	It is debated, but my understanding of it (forced collectivization policies in the five year plan) was that it was more motivated by class (Dekulakization) than by race/ethnicity. Which isn't to say there weren't plenty of examples racism and ethnic prejudice throughout Stalin's tenure. Regardless, the result was in effect genocide regardless of the motivations.