Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2189750)

Um, I would have to take issue with any sexual orientation/choice being a "condition". That presupposes treatment to in most cases change or overcome the condition, making it almost always a negative thing. Someone would say "how's the cancer?" or maybe "how's your mental health" or somesuch, but I doubt anyone's said any of these three - "How's your straightness/heterosexuality?", "How's your homosexuality/lesbianism" or "How's your transhood?" (not sure if that's a word but you know what I mean).

When you call something a condition you've pretty much immediately implied there's a problem. Happiness is not a condition. Laziness is not a condition. Paralysis is a condition, so is measles. I think the definition of condition to include straight people (in an attempt to perhaps justify characterising people who are trans as having a condition) is disingenuous at best, maybe what you people call a strawman? Never quite understood that word really. But certainly the sort of thing that makes it look like an attempt at backtracking and retro-justification.

Just how I see it, but what do I know?

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2189777)

i mean it seems disingenous to suggest that it's just that many trans people choose to change their sex as if that's not like a major part of them being trans ... If you aren't trans there is no reason to change your sex.

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2189749)

Well yeah it was a joke. Every trans person I know told me the therapies and surgeries suck. It's not a cakewalk. That's the joke - it's like a trial from the universe and they didn't ask for it. The thing around Chapelle's friend and the trans community's interactions there was what drove my original comment because there's an irony in their lack of empathy over a trans comedian's experiences over Twitter when they already know how hard it is.



In a lot of cases they want to transition but the circumstances just aren't ideal to make the jump. It's not a bad thing to do it or not do it, but you already agree with that.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2189764)

His point is that trans people are wrong for wanting to transition because some have had bad experiences with that, so we need a Final Solution to the Trans Problem and that involves recognizing their genetic inferiority. He's upset at the cultural bolsheviks weakening society to the point where they're unwilling to Fully Solve the Trans Problem.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2189771)

I'd have banned him for claiming to have trans friends to win an argument but I guess you people need "proof" he's being dishonest.

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2189778)

yeah it is a loaded term but also it's tricky to me... Like being born a midget might also be a condition. There are obvious medical issues associated. Yet it would be in poor taste to say there's something "wrong" with being one... It's just abnormal

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2189780)

Why would you need to "treat" someone's birth sex though? Doesn't that imply there's something "wrong" with it?

Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2189784)

omg yes of course, as opposed to there being something wrong with trans identity. That was my point

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2189785)

Imagine if you could transition within the course of 5 mins and then just transition back when you feel like it... Is there anyone here who wouldnt try taking a test drive as the opposite sex?