I'd ask a friend to take a test drive and then send them a dick pic.

Please batty we all know you'd be at the front of the line

Being an ugly, fat dude is cool though. Wouldn't want to be an ugly, fat chick.

The point I was making about religion posts ago was that some people are born, brain chemistry-wise, with a stronger tendency toward religious thinking as they grow and mature. It's not just an environmental factor. The point there was that if you are born with that tendency as opposed to not, it's harder to shake something like that off as you get older.

That's the Final Solution actually.

Because trans identity needs to be shaken off

If you just wanted to make a nature vs nurture point taking cultism as an example is odd at best

you can say trans identity exists regardless of transition but so does sex. There would be nothing wrong with their sex if they didn't specifically feel like it clashes with their identity. Thus to say there's something wrong with their sex is implicitly acknowledging that they're is something negative about their condition. If they were born with the same exact sex but no trans identity issues then there would be no issue at all..

Treating them like people instead of broken, diseased, genetically inferior cultists will eliminate a great deal of the struggles involved with transitioning and the trans experience in general instead of asserting that they just have to be cisnormative because anything else is too "dangerous".

I'm sure this dialogue tree blew your mind when you saw it on reddit but it's pretty played out at this point.

yeah but (apart from some trans people not finding treatment necessary, and at least my rule of thumb definition of an illness/disorder is that it needs treatment) the implication is that there is something wrong in the identity itself beyond the sex aspect. Re: religious cult etc.

We are getting extra nitpicky here but i also don't think condition implies it's something you can treat or even get over.

It just implies something sorta abnormal which causes issues.

But ironically enough i am not that married to calling it a condition like i said just seems like a semantic distinction to me but for the ones who undergo different forms of therapy or surgery that would definitely fall under the categorization of "treatment." Which you havent actually disputed we might just disagree on what is being treated. You frame it as the birth sex which is being treated where as i think it's whatever hang ups they have about their birth sex..

It doesn't need to be shaken off. My point is that identity and your tendencies and the things that you consider your "identity" are all tied to your biology in some way. It's both interesting and scary because you wonder how many of your choices in life tend to get tied to those things as well. I thought a few years back that with the advent of CRISPR and more gene therapies you'd see society a little further along by now in regards to being able to grapple with this stuff (and be more accepting in general) but progress is slow.