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[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'm sure he realizes just fine. He kind of sucks if you haven't noticed.

Lol you are such a sore loser. I don't get you at all anymore.

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Your deleted comment could not have been applied to people with asthma and I think you know that. And then I'm not even talking about the derogatory undertone of it all. It crossed a line, more than you realise maybe

I literally did apply it to people with asthma, seeing as I was born with it. It's a condition I didn't ask for. I also applied it to people whose brain chemistries tend to push them into cult-like behavior in churches or organizations that are similar.

Those are all hallmarks of the inadequacies of our DNA and development in the womb. The point was that being trans is a condition / state of being that said person didn't ask for, and one that's not really treatable in the truest sense because even when people transition, you get those who, for example, want to go back to the sex they already changed from. I know people who don't feel right in their own skin regardless of what surgeries or therapies they undergo, regardless of any other factor.

You may not think of it as such, but I'm empathetic towards those who deal with those issues them because i recognize that we live in a world that can't really help them one way or the other, but maybe not ridiculously far off from being able to. Our methods are inadequate and society is weak and biased and unwilling to deal with that kind of complexity.

You can choose to disagree with the fact that we live in a ****ed up universe. But I didn't deserve to be banned for explaining myself. If that crossed a line of some kind, then I apologize.

[Exo]

Originally Posted by Anteater

You can choose to disagree with the fact that we live in a ****ed up universe. But I didn't deserve to be banned for explaining myself. If that crossed a line of some kind, then I apologize.

I would highly suggest moving on from this one and just get back to your normal brand of posting around here. I know you don't quite understand it, and I'm really trying to offer some form of branch for you to grasp on to, but your explination into your opinion just goes to show that you don't really have a clue as to how wrong this point of view you have is. It's offensive as sh*t but I think you've just proven that it's more of a misguided offensive opinion than an attempt to offend anybody with purpose.

Just to sum it up again...

1 - Move on from this.
2 - Maybe look into it yourself a bit more and see if you come up with another viewpoint, because seriously dude, it's pretty f*cked up.

[Marie Monday]

I agree with Exo, but before leaving this off I want to explain my objections a bit

Originally Posted by Anteater

Lol you are such a sore loser. I don't get you at all anymore.



I literally did apply it to people with asthma, seeing as I was born with it. It's a condition I didn't ask for. I also applied it to people whose brain chemistries tend to push them into cult-like behavior in churches or organizations that are similar.

Those are all hallmarks of the inadequacies of our DNA and development in the womb. The point was that being trans is a condition / state of being that said person didn't ask for, and one that's not really treatable in the truest sense because even when people transition, you get those who, for example, want to go back to the sex they already changed from. I know people who don't feel right in their own skin regardless of what surgeries or therapies they undergo, regardless of any other factor.

You may not think of it as such, but I'm empathetic towards those who deal with those issues them because i recognize that we live in a world that can't really help them one way or the other, but maybe not ridiculously far off from being able to. Our methods are inadequate and society is weak and biased and unwilling to deal with that kind of complexity.

You can choose to disagree with the fact that we live in a ****ed up universe. But I didn't deserve to be banned for explaining myself. If that crossed a line of some kind, then I apologize.

Nobody is claiming the universe isn't ****ed up. Especially the comparison to cults is problematic. Together with the remark about transitioning back, you're saying that the state of being trans is an inherently negative state of being confused/troubled about your identity, not feeling right in your own skin. It implies there's something 'wrong' with trans people, while being trans is simply having a gender that doesn't correspond to your birth sex. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, implying otherwise is problematic.

I appreciate that your tone is more respectful in this post though, consider this an honest attempt at coming to a better mutual understanding.

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Nobody is claiming the universe isn't ****ed up. Especially the comparison to cults is problematic. Together with the remark about transitioning back, you're saying that the state of being trans is an inherently negative state of being confused/troubled about your identity, not feeling right in your own skin. It implies there's something 'wrong' with trans people, while being trans is simply having a gender that doesn't correspond to your birth sex. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, implying otherwise is problematic.

I appreciate that your tone is more respectful in this post though, consider this an honest attempt at coming to a better mutual understanding.

Thank you for bringing additional clarity to it. I don't think of the issue as a positive/negative thing...cause being "something" isn't good or bad, and I don't agree with society's definitions of "good" or "bad" in a lot of ways either. I follow the experiences and discussions from people like Counterpoints on YT and work with some people who transitioned who have engaged me with their experiences (and those are some pretty long stories in and of themselves). So it's kinda annoying when Bat and Frown take my attempt to explain something and then define it as transphobic even though I'm trying to define a broader issue with human society's relationship with biology. But I get the language context even if it doesn't really fit what I was trying to say.

And Frown, one last thing for you - being straight is a "condition". Having schizophrenia is a "condition". Having a "condition" is just a catch all term in the context of what I was talking about, which could be applied to anything.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Anteater

And Frown, one last thing for you - being straight is a "condition". Having schizophrenia is a "condition". Having a "condition" is just a catch all term in the context of what I was talking about, which could be applied to anything.

Don't care. I smell you.

[Exo]

Don't confuse my warning above as a request to stop this discussion. You guys are free to discuss this if you want but Antis on thin ice with this subject and the rest of you (Bats) aren't getting free passes to hurl insults at Ant.

Tread lightly. I'll be watching.

[Trollheart]

Um, I would have to take issue with any sexual orientation/choice being a "condition". That presupposes treatment to in most cases change or overcome the condition, making it almost always a negative thing. Someone would say "how's the cancer?" or maybe "how's your mental health" or somesuch, but I doubt anyone's said any of these three - "How's your straightness/heterosexuality?", "How's your homosexuality/lesbianism" or "How's your transhood?" (not sure if that's a word but you know what I mean).

When you call something a condition you've pretty much immediately implied there's a problem. Happiness is not a condition. Laziness is not a condition. Paralysis is a condition, so is measles. I think the definition of condition to include straight people (in an attempt to perhaps justify characterising people who are trans as having a condition) is disingenuous at best, maybe what you people call a strawman? Never quite understood that word really. But certainly the sort of thing that makes it look like an attempt at backtracking and retro-justification.

Just how I see it, but what do I know?

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Um, I would have to take issue with any sexual orientation/choice being a "condition". That presupposes treatment to in most cases change or overcome the condition, making it almost always a negative thing. Someone would say "how's the cancer?" or maybe "how's your mental health" or somesuch, but I doubt anyone's said any of these three - "How's your straightness/heterosexuality?", "How's your homosexuality/lesbianism" or "How's your transhood?" (not sure if that's a word but you know what I mean).

When you call something a condition you've pretty much immediately implied there's a problem. Happiness is not a condition. Laziness is not a condition. Paralysis is a condition, so is measles. I think the definition of condition to include straight people (in an attempt to perhaps justify characterising people who are trans as having a condition) is disingenuous at best, maybe what you people call a strawman? Never quite understood that word really. But certainly the sort of thing that makes it look like an attempt at backtracking and retro-justification.

Just how I see it, but what do I know?

I've seen "straight" described as a condition before in discussions about sex and gender. I thought it was fairly commonplace.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Um, I would have to take issue with any sexual orientation/choice being a "condition". That presupposes treatment to in most cases change or overcome the condition, making it almost always a negative thing. Someone would say "how's the cancer?" or maybe "how's your mental health" or somesuch, but I doubt anyone's said any of these three - "How's your straightness/heterosexuality?", "How's your homosexuality/lesbianism" or "How's your transhood?" (not sure if that's a word but you know what I mean).

When you call something a condition you've pretty much immediately implied there's a problem. Happiness is not a condition. Laziness is not a condition. Paralysis is a condition, so is measles. I think the definition of condition to include straight people (in an attempt to perhaps justify characterising people who are trans as having a condition) is disingenuous at best, maybe what you people call a strawman? Never quite understood that word really. But certainly the sort of thing that makes it look like an attempt at backtracking and retro-justification.

Just how I see it, but what do I know?

yeah it is a loaded term but also it's tricky to me... Like being born a midget might also be a condition. There are obvious medical issues associated. Yet it would be in poor taste to say there's something "wrong" with being one... It's just abnormal

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Anteater

Lol you are such a sore loser. I don't get you at all anymore.



I literally did apply it to people with asthma, seeing as I was born with it. It's a condition I didn't ask for. I also applied it to people whose brain chemistries tend to push them into cult-like behavior in churches or organizations that are similar.

Those are all hallmarks of the inadequacies of our DNA and development in the womb. The point was that being trans is a condition / state of being that said person didn't ask for, and one that's not really treatable in the truest sense because even when people transition, you get those who, for example, want to go back to the sex they already changed from. I know people who don't feel right in their own skin regardless of what surgeries or therapies they undergo, regardless of any other factor.

You may not think of it as such, but I'm empathetic towards those who deal with those issues them because i recognize that we live in a world that can't really help them one way or the other, but maybe not ridiculously far off from being able to. Our methods are inadequate and society is weak and biased and unwilling to deal with that kind of complexity.

You can choose to disagree with the fact that we live in a ****ed up universe. But I didn't deserve to be banned for explaining myself. If that crossed a line of some kind, then I apologize.

Bro I'll be %100 honest i don't buy it at all if you're trying to spin the trans joke you made as social commentary we were supposed to pick up on our expand on... The universe already owned them? That's just a diss plain and simple and whether you think it warranted a ban or not at least own that and don't try to gaslight is into thinking you were making some serious point. Honestly that's an insult to our intelligence lol.