Guybrush

By the way, thanks Freebase Dali for taking the time to respond. I hope the other mods will too, even if we disagree.

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Sigh. The only source of fun around here involves breaking rules?

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Doesn't really wear much on mine. Perhaps you're just not cut out for it?

I do think any job of rule enforcing requires an ability to personally distance oneself somewhat and not bring emotions into it. This is an area in which Boo Boo f.ex was lacking.

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Oriphiel

I keep debating if I should just send this in a PM, or post it. I'll just leave it up.

I know i'm out of the debate, but if I might interject for a moment, I think that's an unfair analogy. The difference between a human (in this case, a cop) and a robot is not that one sits back and does nothing. And the implication that our current mod team does nothing is not really accurate.

Also, with the whole analogy about MB being a playground...

There's nothing wrong with a playground for noisy kids. Implying that the parents are bad just because their children are energetic isn't really fair either, since the whole point of them taking their hard-to-handle kid to the playground was to get them to let off steam that would otherwise be let off at home/school. Plus, they're getting some fresh air and time to play, which shouldn't be taken away from them just because they mildly annoy you. What you're describing as a "bad" place is arguably the most important kind of place there is for a child; I can remember being a noisy kid back in my day, as all of my friends were, but getting to play around in a playground was fantastic, and it was a good break from all of the fighting going on at home. We might have annoyed people, but a parent always stepped in if anyone got hurt (which is comparable to how the mods currently supervise us). It seems to me like you're trying to turn a playground into a library.

In every analogy, you keep implying that the mods are useless; they're cops that "sit back and do nothing", and parents that ignore their kids while they destroy someone's sandcastle. I'm starting to sense an unfair bias in your argument. You also brought up the whole natural selection thing, despite it clearly not being in your favor; if the environment changed, then the bullies would change too. Only the most determined and subtle would survive, making them more effective than ever, and harder to stop. If you change the jungle, then the peaceful plant-eaters will change, but so will the predators. For every benefit your new system brings, it will have detriments to go along with it.

I can understand if you think that MB has become more wild in recent years (which I personally think is just a case of rose-tinted shades), but please don't take our current mod team for granted. This whole discussion isn't about whether the mods are bad and that the proposition will make them good; it's that the mods are already good, and we're discussing if this will make them even better.

RoxyRollah

The babbadook will eat your insides.^

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Oriphiel

Uh-oh. Frownland tried to warn me, but I didn't listen...

Guybrush

I'm sorry if any mods feel that I am implying they do nothing. That is indeed inaccurate.

They just don't have a system for consistently punishing rule breaking. Police generally do (hence the analogy) and so are not allowed to ignore someone breaking the law. They would have to do something. Here, that sort of behaviour seems to be considered robotic and without judgment or consideration for context.

As I wrote, context and judgment may well play part, but generally not to the point where it leads to doing nothing. It could mean the difference between being let off with a warning or getting infractions, sure.

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The Batlord

Cops don't know who you are. The mods do. How many speeding tickets do you think Officer Jackson has given out to his neighbor Leadfoot Joe?

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Goofle

Since I'm not a very good writer I'll just say that I pretty much agree with what Jans, Freebase and most of the other members have said.

And I do appreciate the proposal you set up. I think it would work great in some communities. But I do believe that it could have a detrimental effect on the free flowing nature of this site. Maybe we as mods could act quicker to resolve certain situations, but other than that I think there's not really much wrong with the current setup.

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The Batlord

Not to be that guy, but I think I should get a little recognition for my brilliant gif usage.

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Guybrush

Thanks for your honest feedback, Goofle.

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We're not talking speeding tickets. We're talking infractions - which are temporary and don't really affect you until you've accumulated past some threshhold amount. If you get some, it's not really much of a punishment. If you get enough of them that it does affect you, that's appropriate.

I like a lot of you guys, but not to the point where I wouldn't give you an infraction. Perhaps I really am RoboCop?

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Oriphiel

Your description of a speeding ticket is almost identical to the description of an infraction. So really, the analogy wasn't that bad.

You're a good guy, and everyone knows it. The Robocop thing is just a satire of the proposed system, not any one person in particular.