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Exo 06-14-2018 07:27 PM

The Handling of Personal Attacks Going Forward
 
Hey everybody,

The mod team and I have been doing some talking about the landscape that's been observed over the last few months. I'm sure everybody has noticed that there seems to be a lot more personal attacks being thrown around lately. I don't have to name names. We're all thinking of them, but there are more than just those 2-3 that have either been attacked themselves or have gotten out of line. The following is word for word our rules about how members are supposed to behave on this forum. I've highlighted the things I will talk further about.

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• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts.
I want to be clear that the other rules are still in place and will be enforced per usual but this thread/announcement is really just to go over the bold areas of the rules.

Personal Attacks - Seems to be the go-to option when in a heated debate/pissy fit with somebody lately. We are no longer a large community. We have grown smaller and more isolated. Personal info is becoming more common due to some of us being friends and also because it's nice to fill people in of life events since most of us have known each other for the better part of a decade(Even longer in some cases).

Using this personal info to insult somebody is NOT to be tolerated anymore.

Discretion will be used of course but these types of personal attacks have no place here and the mod team, I admit, has been a bit lenient on such events. Family members will not be brought into arguments to hurt another member. Personal hardships will not be used to hurt other members. No more.

Discretion, again, will be used. For example...

Batlord calls me fat. I retort by telling him he has no friends.

We've joked about this with each other for a long time. It's a joke between us. This will not be seen as personal attacks. We're still allowed to have fun around here. It'll be more obvious when this rule is broken. I just don't want you guys to think we're going to suck the fun out of throwing some light jabs out there. This isn't the case. You all know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the things that go too far. Those end now.

Purposeless Inflammatory Posts - This is a bit less of an issue but occasionally I see something said on here, not aimed at a particular member, but made with the sole purpose to piss somebody off. These posts will be deleted and warnings given out.

Punishment

Bans will be given to those who throw out personal attacks. Repeat offenses will receive longer ban lengths and may result in a perma-ban.

Be fucking nice to each other.

We are ALL going through hardships, bouts of this and that, rough times, etc...

We are ALL living lives. We're humans. Most of us are friends. I'm tired of seeing down right nasty sh*t being thrown at each other. 98% of us are adults. If somebody disagrees with you, do NOT go for the throat with personal sh*t. It's over.

Thank You.

-- The Mod Team

Key 06-14-2018 07:41 PM

Might I suggest locking this so this thread doesn't become an ironic form of itself?

Exo 06-14-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1962142)
Might I suggest locking this so this thread doesn't become an ironic form of itself?

I'm pretty intrigued by how the response to this will be.

Key 06-14-2018 07:50 PM

Fair nuf. I'm all for it tbf. The people here are why I came back and wanted to try again. It's a good community. We can agree on that I'm sure.

The Batlord 06-14-2018 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1962144)
I'm pretty intrigued by how the response to this will be.

lol hipsterpotamus

Exo 06-14-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1962146)
lol hipsterpotamus

Love you too.

Chula Vista 06-14-2018 07:54 PM

I admit I'm guilty of some of this and am way too easily provoked, but stuff has gotten extremely out of hand in recent months and as as you stated, the mod team has been much too lax in response.

I'm going to make use of the ignore function and simply not feed any future fodder.

Thanks for this.

P.S. I hope this will also apply to mods - one of whom loves provoking the **** out of me any chance he gets. No boo hoo needed. But it's a fact.

DwnWthVwls 06-14-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 1962138)
Hey everybody,

The mod team and I have been doing some talking.

We're bringing back JWB

Thank You.

-- The Mod Team

Cheers.

Key 06-14-2018 08:00 PM

^if only.

Exo 06-14-2018 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962149)
I admit I'm guilty of some of this and am way too easily provoked, but stuff has gotten extremely out of hand in recent months and as as you stated, the mod team has been much too lax in response.

I'm going to make use of the ignore function and simply not feed any future fodder.

Thanks for this.

P.S. I hope this will also apply to mods - one of whom loves provoking the **** out of me any chance he gets. No boo hoo needed. But it's a fact.

It applies to everyone.

DwnWthVwls 06-14-2018 08:09 PM

If purposeless attacks have a purpose, as you stated when clarifying what it meant, are they actually purposeless? And does this mean certain people can no longer talk about their infuriating opinions?

OccultHawk 06-14-2018 08:13 PM

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Personal hardships will not be used to hurt other members.
If I express my hatred for capitalism and receive the retort you’re just a disgruntled lazy c unt who’s pissed off about being broke I’m cool with the mods letting it sit. But I’m not lazy. I worked through college. I funded traveling the world by working overseas. I went back to school. Got another degree. studied and passed certification exams for five subject areas. Worked is extraordinarily difficult classrooms for a decade. I’m saying if someone says I’m broke because of some kind of bull**** untrue assumptions. I’ll wait. If it stands I’m ripping a mother****ers jugular out. I can take it but I can also dish it out. You don’t like my politics deal with my politics. But don’t personalize my politics.

Neapolitan 06-14-2018 08:15 PM

I haven't noticed any personal attacks against me in a while. So I was under the impression the site mellowed out a bit. It hasn't?

OccultHawk 06-14-2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962166)
If purposeless attacks have a purpose, as you stated when clarifying what it meant, are they actually purposeless? And does this mean certain people can no longer talk about their infuriating opinions?

I think you argued fair and square but I added name calling but just generic name calling. Tttt I do feel like I owe you an apology for going low when you really didn’t. Unfortunately I’m too ****ty to apologize.

Frownland 06-14-2018 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962149)
P.S. I hope this will also apply to mods - one of whom loves provoking the **** out of me any chance he gets. No boo hoo needed. But it's a fact.

We'll keep Exo in line.

Key 06-14-2018 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1962177)
We'll keep Exo in line.

I was actually happy to see that you responded to a post of mine recently because I legit thought you hated me for coming back. No hard feelings obviously since it was my own assumption.

DwnWthVwls 06-14-2018 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1962176)
I think you argued fair and square but I added name calling but just generic name calling. Tttt I do feel like I owe you an apology for going low when you really didn’t. Unfortunately I’m too ****ty to apologize.

I dont need an apologize. Idgaf what you say that isnt related to the discussion. They just words.

Trollheart 06-14-2018 08:36 PM

Obviously I'm glad to see someone taking action, as it's about time. Personal, nasty stuff was almost the cause of my leaving here last year (sorry everyone: so close, I know!) and while I've without doubt surprised myself by the thickness of the skin I've grown over the years, occasionally things go too far and that can still hurt. Hopefully I haven't crossed that line myself (if I have I apologise), as I like to think (in whatever deluded way I see the world) that I'm a nice person, and will continue to try to be so.

I do hope that, as you say Exo, this will apply though to EVERYONE, regardless of status, as if just one person gets away with breaking the rules then the rules themselves become pretty pointless. We don't want no Trumps around here.

A very welcome announcement. Good job everyone.

(Very interested to see when Lisanholic posts: should be a good one).

Neapolitan 06-14-2018 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962149)
I admit I'm guilty of some of this and am way too easily provoked, but stuff has gotten extremely out of hand in recent months and as as you stated, the mod team has been much too lax in response.

I'm going to make use of the ignore function and simply not feed any future fodder.

Thanks for this.

P.S. I hope this will also apply to mods - one of whom loves provoking the **** out of me any chance he gets. No boo hoo needed. But it's a fact.

I hate to say it, but that makes you more of a target. That doesn't apply just to you, but anyone really. If they know you get upset easily they are going take advantage of that every time and pull your chain more, to get a reaction. Face it, no matter what people do they generally take the course of less resistances. If you're offering no resistance when it comes to their trolling and taking the bait every time, then it you'll always be considered an easy target. I know you probably want to scream "Stop!" and have it stop, but it won't till you stop over-reacting to them.

Trollheart 06-14-2018 08:55 PM

Let's all take our cue from two genuine American legends...

Neapolitan 06-14-2018 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1962191)
Let's all take our cue from two genuine American legends...

... or we can take our cue from two genuine Irish legends:


Chula Vista 06-14-2018 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1962190)
I hate to say it, but that makes you more of a target.

I'm making a very real effort to work on it Neo. It's true that the older you get, the more stubborn and set in your ways you become. I've taken 2 showers in WD40 to try and regain some emotional pliability.

*Sh1t is tough to towel down from though.....*

I truly hope that 6 months from now you'll all notice the difference. I like it here. I just have to stay out of the Skid Row back and fourths.

Key 06-14-2018 10:02 PM

^I've noticed a difference. Maybe that's just me though.

Chula Vista 06-14-2018 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1962202)
^I've noticed a difference. Maybe that's just me though.

You're just pimping for the free food and weed. Go to bed Ki. :laughing:

Key 06-14-2018 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962205)
You're just pimping for the free food and weed. Go to bed Ki. :laughing:

Ok, Dad.

grindy 06-14-2018 10:45 PM

Looking forward to banning Frown.

[MERIT] 06-14-2018 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1962210)
Looking forward to banning Frown.

Just de-mod the dude already.

MicShazam 06-15-2018 12:20 AM

I'm pleased to see that someone is taking a stance. It's been frustrating sometimes to see the quality of interaction on this forum go down into the toilet without anyone doing anything. I'd hate for this place to grow into some sort of weird, unpleasant, "seedy underbelly of the internet" type of place.

At the end of the day, I'm here for the music and the likeable, interesting people.

grindy 06-15-2018 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1962211)
Just de-mod the dude already.

Oh, you're even higher up on my naughty list, friendo.

MicShazam 06-15-2018 12:45 AM

Lisnaholic must be at the top of the nice list. I'm not sure if I'm at the bottom of the nice list or the bottom of the naughty list.

Trollheart 06-15-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1962211)
Just de-mod the dude already.

Alert! Alert! Personal attack detected! Remain calm, mods are on the way. Do NOT approach this individual, especially if you are Jewish.
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1962218)
I'm pleased to see that someone is taking a stance. It's been frustrating sometimes to see the quality of interaction on this forum go down into the toilet without anyone doing anything. I'd hate for this place to grow into some sort of weird, unpleasant, "seedy underbelly of the internet" type of place.

At the end of the day, I'm here for the music and the likeable, interesting people.

I take offence at that: this IS the seedy belly of the internet, and we're quite proud of it, thank you. :p:
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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1962221)
Oh, you're even higher up on my naughty list, friendo.

:laughing:
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1962222)
Lisnaholic must be at the top of the nice list. I'm not sure if I'm at the bottom of the nice list or the bottom of the naughty list.

If MB is Mount Everest, Lisna is sitting at the top reading quietly, watching his flag wave gently in the breeze while the rest of us are arguing, squabbling and fighting down at base camp.

Frownland 06-15-2018 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1962251)
If MB is Mount Everest, Lisna is sitting at the top reading quietly, watching his flag wave gently in the breeze while the rest of us are arguing, squabbling and fighting down at the bar.

.

The Batlord 06-15-2018 10:10 AM

Yes the bar at Mount Everest.

Frownland 06-15-2018 10:16 AM

Right next to the keychain kiosk.

The Batlord 06-15-2018 10:18 AM

Adjacent to the stand selling t-shirts that say, "I climbed Mt. Everest and all I got was this lousy dead wife."

Chula Vista 06-15-2018 10:38 AM

Which are all located in the strip mall with the Starbucks and Subway.

Trollheart 06-15-2018 10:39 AM

And the funny ones:
"Mountaineers peak higher"

"Mountaineers do it at the top"

"Mountaineers like to be on top"

"Top o' the world, ma!"

"Sit on my North Face"

and for those of a political persuasion

"I like Hillary"

[MERIT] 06-15-2018 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1962221)
Oh, you're even higher up on my naughty list, friendo.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11ADidZLXV4DgQ/giphy.gif

Key 06-15-2018 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1962274)
Yes the bar at Mount Everest.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1962281)
Right next to the keychain kiosk.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1962282)
Adjacent to the stand selling t-shirts that say, "I climbed Mt. Everest and all I got was this lousy dead wife."

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962299)
Which are all located in the strip mall with the Starbucks and Subway.

Quality.

Lucem Ferre 06-16-2018 05:05 AM

1 Am I still aloud to remind people not to talk to me as per their own request?

2 Will there be a proper judgement on what was actually intended to provoke? Because I've said things that people took personally thinking I meant it to provoke them when I didn't, and I've also seen that happen to other people. Sometimes a hatred just runs so deep that you think everything is a personal attack.

3 When are we bringing DJChameleon back? What'd you guys do to him? He was a quality member.


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