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adidasss 05-11-2021 06:43 AM
Yeah I mean it would be a shame because going some place else would mean losing all the history of this place. I have 7k+ post here spanning more than 16 years. This is why I'm still here. I get a kick out of rummaging through old threads or running into some of my old posts or older discussions between people I know/knew.

It would be interesting to understand how much money they're actually making here. I know they own a bigger forum with more advanced software (or at least more features), so if they already have the license for it, would it cost much more to do some upgrades here?

Or maybe they'd be willing to sell it. But how much could it cost, including making upgrades? Anyone have any idea?

Guybrush 05-11-2021 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2172544)
Yeah I mean it would be a shame because going some place else would mean losing all the history of this place. I have 7k+ post here spanning more than 16 years. This is why I'm still here. I get a kick out of rummaging through old threads or running into some of my old posts or older discussions between people I know/knew.

It would be interesting to understand how much money they're actually making here. I know they own a bigger forum with more advanced software (or at least more features), so if they already have the license for it, would it cost much more to do some upgrades here?

Or maybe they'd be willing to sell it. But how much could it cost, including making upgrades? Anyone have any idea?
With owners seemingly uninterested, chances are it's all gonna disappear one day in any case. Newer BBpress versions may have made many changes to database architecture over the years and so at this point, even upgrading the site may break things completely if you don't do it smart and stepwise.

It would be nice if they can accomplish that, but with no word from them, who knows if they even want to?

Edit:

The sites / domains I've run has been 30-40 USD per year, but I guess you may have to pay more for increased traffic / capacity.

Plankton 05-11-2021 08:31 AM
This ones free:

https://www.proboards.com/

adidasss 05-11-2021 09:06 AM
I'd be down with moving but it's risky. How many people would be interested, would you be able to lift the forum off the ground and have other people come in etc...dunno.

Marie Monday 05-11-2021 11:26 AM
I sympathise with the idea, and it's good to have you back Tore! Another forum legend I finally get to meet.

Also throwback to the time Mord/Zantheimi tried to make a rogue MB and essentially did a failed coup lol

Guybrush 05-11-2021 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2172556)
I'd be down with moving but it's risky. How many people would be interested, would you be able to lift the forum off the ground and have other people come in etc...dunno.
Could be hard. I don't know. I would suggest leaving some stickes/notifications pointing members to the new boards and then wait for activity to shift to the new place.

I think I'd just do it quietly without alerting advameg to the fact.

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 2172551)
Yes, free forums like that might be a way to go. They're filled with ads, though.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2172570)
I sympathise with the idea, and it's good to have you back Tore! Another forum legend I finally get to meet.

Also throwback to the time Mord/Zantheimi tried to make a rogue MB and essentially did a failed coup lol
Nice to meet you too, Marie :wave:

jwb 05-11-2021 12:08 PM
The same thing you're describing happened in the rap forum I used to be on before here. Most of the key members left to another domain and the original one died off. The new one is still only a shell of what the original once was. It's dwindling in activity as it relies not or less exclusively on the people who fled the old board. New members don't sign up.

Dunno if that's what would happen here

I can't believe people actually make money off this ****. I'm jealous.

Guybrush 05-11-2021 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2172582)
The same thing you're describing happened in the rap forum I used to be on before here. Most of the key members left to another domain and the original one died off. The new one is still only a shell of what the original once was. It's dwindling in activity as it relies not or less exclusively on the people who fled the old board. New members don't sign up.

Dunno if that's what would happen here

I can't believe people actually make money off this ****. I'm jealous.
Yeah, that's definitely a risk.

Another course of action could be to try to pressure advameg into doing something. The mods could go on a strike.

Trollheart 05-11-2021 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 2172527)
Having so recently resurfaced, I wanted to make a comment.

One of the reasons I left so many years ago was basically the points brought up in the first post here. I had made several requests to owners/Yac that they do stuff like update forum software. I'm pretty sure I even offered to do it for them for free, although I did realize it was unlikely they'd give me the logins. Anyways, I did my share of crying about this but was told that the meager profits MB generated meant that updates etc. didn't make sense from a cost perspective. Also, they were afraid of unintentionally breaking things.

It pissed me off because what they're basically doing is exploiting the community, us fine guys and gals. We generate the content that will show up in google searches or otherwise pull people in and generate ad-clicks that doesn't just come from bots. I didn't think a BBPress update was too much to ask. In a way, if you care too much about MB in its current state, you'll suffer for that. It's sad how they run it that way.

The logical conclusion to the problem for me at that time was an organized exodus from musicbanter. It's easy peasy. Give me or someone else here who's a little tech savvy half an hour or two and we'll have musicbanter 2.0 up and running on a new domain. Possibly a patreon or something similar could be set up to cover costs, although it can be done quite cheap (hosting isn't that expensive and there's lots of free forum software). People could bring over the content they wanted to preserve.

I suggested this emphatically, but the idea didn't catch. Maybe some saw it as mutiny, although I feel that loyalty to the community could align well with a migration to someplace else. Staying here is loyalty to advameg and what have they done the last X years to deserve it?

So that has a lot to do with why I left in the first place. Coming back, I see the same old BBPress and I guess we're all lucky it's still browser compatible. Still, it's been nice being back. While I still think the community here SHOULD migrate to something else, I won't bring it up again unless it's on topic :laughing:
It would probably be a good idea to set up a kind of contingency forum, if it were possible to move most of the content from here to there in the event of this one biting the big one. I'm not entirely sure I could stand to see the likes of The Playlist of Life go back to single-figure views, mind you! :laughing:

So, a backup forum?

jwb 05-11-2021 12:45 PM
I say we track down this polish broad and rob her ass.. I wanna get paid for people **** posting

Frownland 05-11-2021 12:58 PM
Joining the discord might work better than bedazzling a fossil: https://discord.gg/ndbr7bg

Marie Monday 05-11-2021 01:00 PM
indeed
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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2172594)
I say we track down this polish broad and rob her ass.. I wanna get paid for people **** posting
:laughing: that's a quintessential jwb post right there

SGR 05-11-2021 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2172588)
It would probably be a good idea to set up a kind of contingency forum, if it were possible to move most of the content from here to there in the event of this one biting the big one.
I am highly doubtful that that would be a simple task, given a new forum will likely have a much different backend architecture than this one does.

But yeah, who knows how much money is being made with this site. My guess would be that as soon as the cost to host it exceeds the amount of money they make from it, it'll be biting the dust and we'll be hung out to dry. If we're lucky, the owners will give the mods advance notice which will give us a brief period of time to coordinate a move to somewhere else.

DianneW 05-11-2021 01:03 PM
:bowdown:I belonged to a Forum for only a few months and the mods were strict although mainly towards females for what ever reason. The so called boss disliked me for being one of the lads to best describe the situation. A crowd of us would act the fool and we did have a lot of laughs, nothing too rude, but on the edge of suggestions innuendos, so when I joined in a mod would stamp on me..others knew the rules better than me and just did nothing basically..got use to that..was not that personnel with the lads but got told I was obscene by a mod. and criticised for the slightest reason, then suspended from certain threads for a few weeks then got banned for good for standing my ground..apparently you never are allowed to answer back and that I found out when I got the next ban....ok the record is 4 but all had the same rules....some joined me on another site but it did not really work that same....as it is true the memories over time build up and hard to leave behind...Now if the main, moved over together, then move your memories, hey presto that could work...:wavey:.
p.s.
as a newbie I do not have attachments as yet....

The Batlord 05-11-2021 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 2172585)
Yeah, that's definitely a risk.

Another course of action could be to try to pressure advameg into doing something. The mods could go on a strike.
I think attracting their attention for any reason is not in our best interest.

Guybrush 05-11-2021 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2172610)
I think attracting their attention for any reason is not in our best interest.
You might be right about that. At least one might want a backup forum in place first, just in case they go ape****.

edit:

By the way, I've been writing bbpress.. which is wrong. This board runs on an ancient version of vbulletin.

Is it still getting swarmed with ad-bots due to the ancient captcha?

SGR 05-11-2021 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 2172619)
Is it still getting swarmed with ad-bots due to the ancient captcha?
No idea on volume, but you can usually see three or four active spam accounts in the 'active users' on the bottom of the front page at any given moment. All with a joined date of the current day.

Marie Monday 05-11-2021 03:04 PM
I don't know what a captcha is, but there are plenty of ad-bots.

Now I'm trying to imagine all of us invading and taking over another existing forum when this one dies. That would be disastrous but epic

The Batlord 05-11-2021 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2172627)
I don't know what a captcha is, but there are plenty of ad-bots.
https://images.ctfassets.net/slt3lc6...d1/captcha.png

Guybrush 05-11-2021 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2172627)
I don't know what a captcha is, but there are plenty of ad-bots.

Now I'm trying to imagine all of us invading and taking over another existing forum when this one dies. That would be disastrous but epic
Captcha is a method to keep bots from signing up and spamming the boards. Needless to say, it doesn't work very well here, another reason why the boards should get updated so mods don't have to spend time kickbanning and cleaning up after bots.

.. All that work you never get any credit for doing :D

Marie Monday 05-11-2021 03:15 PM
oh yeah I should've known. yeah it'd help a lot if those functioned properly

Lucem Ferre 05-11-2021 04:28 PM
I'm pretty sure Mord's forum got shut down because of the depravity that was posted.

The Batlord 05-11-2021 04:52 PM
Yes but it was bestiality Frown posted for the purposes of getting it shut down.

Lucem Ferre 05-11-2021 05:31 PM
That's even funnier.

The Batlord 05-11-2021 05:46 PM
I was opposed to him at the time as I was in favor of Mord's forum and because that is my standard position but yes it was.

Lucem Ferre 05-11-2021 05:48 PM
Frown CIAed your Venezuela.

The Batlord 05-11-2021 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2172668)
Frown CIAed your Venezuela.
He CIAed our Epstein.

Lucem Ferre 05-11-2021 05:57 PM

Trollheart 05-11-2021 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2172627)
I don't know what a captcha is, but there are plenty of ad-bots.

Now I'm trying to imagine all of us invading and taking over another existing forum when this one dies. That would be disastrous but epic
Don't talk to an Irishman about invasions!

adidasss 05-11-2021 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 2172585)
Yeah, that's definitely a risk.

Another course of action could be to try to pressure advameg into doing something. The mods could go on a strike.
I sent them an e-mail. http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c.../radosnice.gif

Guybrush 05-12-2021 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2172687)
Or that :laughing: Although tried before, it's a good call.

Merit mentions having tried to email them in the first post, writing he got no response. When I did it last time many years ago, at least I got a reply from a guy called Ryan Willins or something who I think was advameg's spokesperson. All I got AFAIK was lip service.

But it's smart to check out to see if things might've changed.

Trollheart 05-12-2021 05:06 AM
Advameg's HQ after a surprise attack by a rival forum hoster...
Don't expect a reply any time soon...
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008...isable=upscale

Guybrush 05-12-2021 05:12 AM
If anyone's curious about what phpbb (free forum software) might look like (you can change/customize themes), I put up a test board here. It literally takes minutes and I was curious myself as I haven't run one in quite a while, so.

It's got phone and tablet optimization built in now, which is nice.

Welcome to phpBB3 - Just a phpbb test

So getting a board and hosting it is at least not a problem. I can do it and I'm sure many others here also could and might be a better fit.

The only problem, as stated before but which I'll reiterate, is that even if you set it up on musicyack.com or whatever, there's probably not gonna be much influx of people, meaning the community will likely get isolated.

adidasss 05-12-2021 07:04 AM
Yeah the point of a new place would be to set up something that can thrive, not a personal chat room for a few people who might soon get bored of it. Not sure it can work in this day and age but maybe someone has an idea on how to achieve that. I guess MB still gets a decent influx of new people because of the amount of content already accumulated.

The Batlord 05-12-2021 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tore (Post 2172694)
Or that :laughing: Although tried before, it's a good call.

Merit mentions having tried to email them in the first post, writing he got no response. When I did it last time many years ago, at least I got a reply from a guy called Ryan Willins or something who I think was advameg's spokesperson. All I got AFAIK was lip service.

But it's smart to check out to see if things might've changed.
Tbf he probably emailed them with concerns over George Soros and the Rothchilds.

Lucem Ferre 05-12-2021 08:39 AM
George Soros still owes me money, that ****ing reptilian [censored]. I don't just riot for free.

Marie Monday 05-12-2021 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2172710)
What a bunch of cock blocks. Islam belongs in the trash and not even bus stop trash because that's where I throw the puppy's poop away and Islam isn't good enough to be in the same trash can as the puppy's poop.
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2172718)
George Soros still owes me money, that ****ing reptilian [censored]. I don't just riot for free.
idk what this is suddenly about but 1. it isn't funny 2. you're on thin ice and slurs are not ok, even when it's a joke. Just don't.

Lucem Ferre 05-12-2021 12:15 PM
Since when?

Lucem Ferre 05-12-2021 12:23 PM
Honky.

Marie Monday 05-12-2021 12:25 PM
yeah we're not gonna have that discussion about ranking slurs again. Some of them have never been ok with me and I think you know that


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