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Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 2041304)
What was actually said about his son?

There's times where he was told that he's a terrible father and that his son probably hates him. After he went on a huge rant about how everybody is inferior to him and how elph is genetically inferior because he didn't get that girl pregnant I told him that mental illness is a genetic inferiority and his son is a child of a bipolar woman.

rostasi 02-06-2019 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2041314)
He was talking something about not tipping a waiter over some petty bull**** while at dinner with his son and I said if I was the waiter I'd poison his food or something and Merit took that to mean I'd poison his son too so I responded that I'd have to get to know his son better before I poisoned him too. I think that's basically how it went.

Actually, that's pretty funny.

Exo 02-06-2019 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041316)
There's times where he was told that he's a terrible father and that his son probably hates him. After he went on a huge rant about how everybody is inferior to him and how elph is genetically inferior because he didn't get that girl pregnant I told him that mental illness is a genetic inferiority and his son is a child of a bipolar woman.

This forum would function much better if more people just went "Haha whatever guy" instead of trying to win the topic at hand.

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041322)
This forum would function much better if more people just went "Haha whatever guy" instead of trying to win the topic at hand.

Most likely.

MicShazam 02-06-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041322)
This forum would function much better if more people just went "Haha whatever guy" instead of trying to win the topic at hand.

haha whatever guy

Exo 02-06-2019 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 2041331)
haha whatever guy

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d175...itemid=9914954

Janszoon 02-06-2019 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 2041292)
That's true ... if you're dickish.

Just noticed the long, exhausting message from Merit
and my mind was saying, "Where's the music?"
So, I thought I'd ask. I don't see this crap on other
music forums I've been a part of. One jazz forum cut their
"politics/religion" years ago and it's been a whole lot better
with actual focus on music ... and a favorite that I go to
regularly has so much new modern music to talk about that
I have no idea what they think socially/politically about
practically anything. It's pretty glorious.

That sounds fantastic.

WWWP 02-06-2019 01:46 PM

I suggested this in the mod cave

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2041216)
I say we delete or edit rule-breaking posts, issue infractions rather than give verbal warnings, then give 24 hr bans, then a week, then 6 mos, then perma.

Which seems technically fair, but it does not allow for the commonly understood "friendly ribbing" atmosphere such as:

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2041158)
If Batty jokes about me beating my children (as he often does), it's no big deal. But if he then makes a serious post about condoning child abuse and domestic violence, he'd get banned. And he'd deserve it.

Cant have it both ways when you're asking a group of people to use their own discretion when judging what is or is not a joke.

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041293)
The complaint, WWWP, isn't that they want strict moderation, it's that they want FAIR moderation. You know that wasn't a luxury given to merit.


.

Exo 02-06-2019 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2041356)
Cant have it both ways when you're asking a group of people to use their own discretion when judging what is or is not a joke.

This is what most people on this forum don't get. It's like we're supposed to know and understand everybody's senses of humor and be able to decipher when something is said in jest or said in earnest...all without the very important factor of tone which can't be easily observed through text on the internet.

Motherf*ckers, we do this sh*t for free. I don't know enough about my own grandmother to make a eulogy and I'm supposed to know whether or not you strangers are pieces of sh*t or not? Sh*t's hard.

WWWP 02-06-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041364)
This is what most people on this forum don't get. It's like we're supposed to know and understand everybody's senses of humor and be able to decipher when something is said in jest or said in earnest...all without the very important factor of tone which can't be easily observed through text on the internet.

Motherf*ckers, we do this sh*t for free. I don't know enough about my own grandmother to make a eulogy and I'm supposed to know whether or not you strangers are pieces of sh*t or not? Sh*t's hard.

Dude its such a mindf*ck after everything that happened around the meltdown when tore suggested modding changes a few years ago. Everything has come full circle, predictable.

Damned if we don't, damned if we do.

Exo 02-06-2019 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2041366)
Dude its such a mindf*ck after everything that happened around the meltdown when tore suggested modding changes a few years ago. Everything has come full circle, predictable.

Damned if we don't, damned if we do.

I'd like to summon Plank in here for a moment to crack a beer and tell us he told us so please? Thanks.

Frownland 02-06-2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041364)
I don't know enough about my own grandmother to make a eulogy and I'm supposed to know whether or not you strangers are pieces of sh*t or not? Sh*t's hard.

It's pretty easy imo. Takes one to know one?

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041364)
Oh, I work for free, oh life is so hard having all the power in a forum, oh two people complained about about unfair moderation, woe is me. How will I ever get by with this burden on my shoulders?

Complete bull****, you know that people harassing merit wasn't a joke to him. Ya'll love to play dumb.

Exo 02-06-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041371)
Complete bull****, you know that people harassing merit wasn't a joke to him. Ya'll love to play dumb.

Use the report function. I've got a full time job. I do my best here end of goddamn story.

The Batlord 02-06-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041372)
Use the report function. I've got a full time job. I do my best here end of goddamn story.

I tried but you told me to stop.

Exo 02-06-2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2041373)
I tried but you told me to stop.

I don't remember.

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 02:08 PM

It ain't the end, this is a 3 piece documentary bitch!

How is anybody supposed to trust that function will be of any use when we have seen undeniably biased moderation?

Edit: I just don't get how you have the same 3 people telling you how UNFAIR and BIASED moderation is and you guys are like "derka derka the WHOLE forum wants STRICT moderation, derka derka, can't make everybody happy, derka derka" No. It's 3 people saying that the moderation is unfair. Nobody wants to miss out on OH's jokes.

Frownland 02-06-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041375)
It ain't the end, this is a 3 piece documentary bitch!

How is anybody supposed to trust that function will be of any use when we have seen undeniably biased moderation?

Like this

Key 02-06-2019 02:12 PM

Where is the mod bias theory coming from? Merit deserved the ban. I've known him for years. I'm surprised he hasn't been banned sooner but that's just the way it is. I don't think it has anything to do with bias. Anybody that has been here for a long time like I have were fully expecting a ban toward Merit at some point. This isn't like a random thing, it was coming. If I were a mod here I'd have banned him as well.

Exo 02-06-2019 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041375)
It ain't the end, this is a 3 piece documentary bitch!

How is anybody supposed to trust that function will be of any use when we have seen undeniably biased moderation?

Edit: I just don't get how you have the same 3 people telling you how UNFAIR and BIASED moderation is and you guys are like "derka derka the WHOLE forum wants STRICT moderation, derka derka, can't make everybody happy, derka derka" No. It's 3 people saying that the moderation is unfair. Nobody wants to miss out on OH's jokes.

Haha whatever guy

Exo 02-06-2019 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Key (Post 2041378)
Where is the mod bias theory coming from? Merit deserved the ban. I've known him for years. I'm surprised he hasn't been banned sooner but that's just the way it is. I don't think it has anything to do with bias. Anybody that has been here for a long time like I have were fully expecting a ban toward Merit at some point. This isn't like a random thing, it was coming. If I were a mod here I'd have banned him as well.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041316)
After he went on a huge rant about how everybody is inferior to him and how elph is genetically inferior because he didn't get that girl pregnant I told him that mental illness is a genetic inferiority and his son is a child of a bipolar woman.

Tbh, I'm not entirely sure I'm following Lucem's runaway train of thought.

MicShazam 02-06-2019 02:18 PM

Typed a thing I decided not to post anyway, so here's a fluffy bunny instead:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...Z-_400x400.jpg

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Key (Post 2041378)
Where is the mod bias theory coming from? Merit deserved the ban. I've known him for years. I'm surprised he hasn't been banned sooner but that's just the way it is. I don't think it has anything to do with bias. Anybody that has been here for a long time like I have were fully expecting a ban toward Merit at some point. This isn't like a random thing, it was coming. If I were a mod here I'd have banned him as well.

I'm not protesting his ban.



There are many occasions, though, where people were baiting merit, people said horrendous things about merit, and when merit retaliated the mods came in and gave him a warning and stopped it, but only when HE retaliates. Like that time when he said he was going to put OH on ignore and OH said something along the lines of "So you're going to pretend I'm your son?"

A small few members notice this, a small few members protest this bias and the moderators respond like, "Woah, what? You guys ALL want strict moderation now?"

Exo 02-06-2019 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041375)
Nobody wants to miss out on OH's jokes.

He ain't that funny to form this theory of bias.

Zhanteimi 02-06-2019 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041280)
JGuy?

I randomly clicked one of you mods' profiles yesterday and died laughing when I randomly read a message from JGuy asking you all to make people stop calling him a furry. The lack of context made the request hilarious.

OccultHawk 02-06-2019 02:19 PM

I think the mods have done a good job.

One week to six months is a huge jump though. And perma’s should be really rare for people who’ve been here years.

I know I have a reputation as a monster but when I get a warning I do back the **** off because I really do like it here.

As a former teacher I understand it like a kid could get really worked up and do some ****ed up **** but if I took him out in the hallway and he calmed down I let it go because we worked out a resolution. If the mods give me a warning I back off. I don’t care if I’m “right” I don’t get indignant. I want to keep up my hobby which is basically my journal and ****. Chula and MERIT may appear less disruptive than me or bat but we don’t make it personal and force the mod’s hand. We slink back into the corner and sit quietly making spitballs until the next dillweed needs some childish provocation.

Exo 02-06-2019 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041384)
I'm not protesting his ban.



There are many occasions, though, where people were baiting merit, people said horrendous things about merit, and when merit retaliated the mods came in and gave him a warning and stopped it, but only when HE retaliates. Like that time when he said he was going to put OH on ignore and OH said something along the lines of "So you're going to pretend I'm your son?"

What makes you think we didn't speak to OH about that?

Key 02-06-2019 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041380)
Tbh, I'm not entirely sure I'm following Lucem's runaway train of thought.

From what i can tell, a lot of the frustration here is coming from a place of ignorance and a lack of understanding of the situation and what kind of guy Merit is. I saw the original post and am glad he got banned for it. It wasnt just some silly jab, it was blatantly homophobic and written in such a way as an attack toward that community.

I'd also like to point out that the people that did see the post are having no problem accepting the ban. Just some food for thought.

Frownland 02-06-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041384)
I'm not protesting his ban.



There are many occasions, though, where people were baiting merit, people said horrendous things about merit, and when merit retaliated the mods came in and gave him a warning and stopped it, but only when HE retaliates. Like that time when he said he was going to put OH on ignore and OH said something along the lines of "So you're going to pretend I'm your son?"

A small few members notice this, a small few members protest this bias and the moderators respond like, "Woah, what? You guys ALL want strict moderation now?"

I've reprimanded batman and others via PM. You're not seeing the whole picture, windsock.

MicShazam 02-06-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041384)
I'm not protesting his ban.



There are many occasions, though, where people were baiting merit, people said horrendous things about merit, and when merit retaliated the mods came in and gave him a warning and stopped it, but only when HE retaliates. Like that time when he said he was going to put OH on ignore and OH said something along the lines of "So you're going to pretend I'm your son?"

Yeah, some of that got a bit out of hand. Like, ok, he's a bit nutty and you might not agree with him (neither do I), but at least treat him like a human being with feelings.

EDIT: Ok, so mods apparently did do something about that. When it's all happening in PM's, it makes it seem like nobody cares. But broadly speaking I'd still like to suggest that forum members dial down the male chest puffing a bit and basically be a bit nicer and respect some boundaries without mods having to step in. It shouldn't be necessary, but yeah, I know how crap other forums can get. But some are also way less toxic...

Exo 02-06-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2041390)
I've reprimanded batman and others via PM. You're not seeing the whole picture, windsock.

"How can it be raining outside? I don't see or hear it in this windowless room so..."

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 02:24 PM

For the same reasons?

You aren't seeing the point.

The **** is aloud to happen until merit responds. That's when mods start modding. That is why people see a bias.

OccultHawk 02-06-2019 02:25 PM

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Like that time when he said he was going to put OH on ignore and OH said something along the lines of "So you're going to pretend I'm your son?"
That was a fantastic zinger tbf

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 02:26 PM

So you're going to stick your heads up each other's asses and pretend like it doesn't happen for the sake of your own egos? I don't have a problem with it. I don't like merit, I think the bias is subtle and no where near as petty as it could be. You can't pretend like there isn't one though when multiple people, even some who don't like merit, have seen it.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2041394)
That was a fantastic zinger tbf

It was one of the most hilarious and also the most cruel ones I've seen in a while.

Frownland 02-06-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041396)
petty

Tell me more.

The Batlord 02-06-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2041386)
I randomly clicked one of you mods' profiles yesterday and died laughing when I randomly read a message from JGuy asking you all to make people stop calling him a furry. The lack of context made the request hilarious.

Enjoy the context.

https://www.musicbanter.com/general-...ml#post1733152

Exo 02-06-2019 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041393)
For the same reasons?

You aren't seeing the point.

The **** is aloud to happen until merit responds. That's when mods start modding. That is why people see a bias.

I might be speaking for myself here because I can't ascertain the amount of time other mods spend on the boards but a lot of the times this comes off the way you're seeing it because a moderator didn't see the exchanges until the damage has already been done. OH described himself perfectly as somebody who sits back and shoots a spitball and lets the rest unfold. Merit and Chula are dudes who will write novels about how they are right and NEVER let it go and unfortunately they're still actively trying to "win" the topic at hand when we step in. As I kind of told you before, if they just said "whatever" it wouldn't be an issue.

We're not biased. We're busy. We clean up. It's like Bats and OH start the food fight but Merit and Chula are the ones still throwing sh*t when the teachers show up. Who do you think is going to get reprimanded first? I always read from the beginning and talk to everybody involved. Ask Bats how many PM's I send him.

Stop thinking we live on this forum and see everything as it happens.

Lucem Ferre 02-06-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2041399)
I might be speaking for myself here because I can't ascertain the amount of time other mods spend on the boards but a lot of the times this comes off the way you're seeing it because a moderator didn't see the exchanges until the damage has already been done. OH described himself perfectly as somebody who sits back and shoots a spitball and lets the rest unfold. Merit and Chula are dudes who will write novels about how they are right and NEVER let it go and unfortunately they're still actively trying to "win" the topic at hand when we step in. As I kind of told you before, if they just said "whatever" it wouldn't be an issue.

We're not biased. We're busy. We clean up. It's like Bats and OH start the food fight but Merit and Chula are the ones still throwing sh*t when the teachers show up. Who do you think is going to get reprimanded first? I always read from the beginning and talk to everybody involved. Ask Bats how many PM's I send him.

Stop thinking we live on this forum and see everything as it happens.

I have seen active mods on here while this goes down. Some unnamed ones that are even smack dab in the middle of it. That excuse doesn't fly.


Edit: In the case of Chula, I know I'm not supposed to talk about it because speculation on his mental health gets a faster response from mods than telling merit he's a bad father, but they are literally taking advantage of a mental illness to provoke a reaction.

Exo 02-06-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2041401)
I have seen active mods on here while this goes down. Some unnamed ones that are even smack dab in the middle of it. That excuse doesn't fly.

Weird, it was like I was speaking for myself or something.


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