Strategies Against Architecture II - The (NEW) Avant Garde/Experimental Album Club

bob. · 07-23-2011, 01:28 PM

"Wherever we are, what we hear is mostly noise. When we ignore it, it disturbs us. When we listen to it, we ﬁnd it fascinating."
John Cage

Welcome to the The (NEW) Avant Garde/Experimental Album Club! Since this part of the forum has been slow, this might be a good way to revive it. I'm happy there are already people interested, but anyone can join at any time. The idea is similar to other clubs here especially to tore's The Prog & Fusion Album Club. I like the idea of every chosen album having its own thread. That means we are going to suggest albums for listening in this thread and then we're going to vote for one. When suggesting an album it would be nice to include some album art along with a name, year (it's not necessary, but I like it) and a bit of info (or at least a link to allmusic, rate your music or something similar). That way we will know what we vote for.

The next question would be: What makes some album avant-garde or experimental? Let's just say, any composer, musician or a band that you would write about in this part of the forum count. We're not going to be strict about tagging. This way, we have a very broad field to choose from, everything from so called high art avant-garde music to experimental genres of popular music. It just has to go out of comfort, established zone and be off-center.

For the first round, we can start suggesting albums these two days. Then, I'll add poll here and we'll vote over weekend. We will have a week for listening to chosen album. Plenty of time for it to sink in. After that I'll open the discussion thread. And then we can do this weekly. If that's all right with you, I can later edit these rules to be more readable.

Let's begin!

-Dankrsta

so i think we should try a run at this club again....i think i'll add few guidelines to it though....very similar to the general music club that Pedestrian started...

we'll start of with a few days of album nominations and then i'll add a poll....then we'll have a week to discuss and vote on an album.....and then a new thread for each review....which will last about a week and then we'll start all over

please be willing to actually listen to and review the album which is picked if you decide to nominate an album.....when you nominate an album add a description to help create interest.....please be open minded and not vote for your own nomination.....also if you choose to participate please be prepared to supply a digital copy of your album....as some of this stuff can be a bit difficult to track down

anybody can join in with both nominations or just simply reviews at any time

lets do it

http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...lbum-club.html
^first club for those of you who did not know of it

i'll start with......

Caroliner Rainbow Open Wound Chorale - Rise of the Common Woodpile

Caroliner Rainbow is by far thee most interesting live band i have ever seen....their true identities are a mystery....but they are a cover band of an infamous singing cow named Caroliner.....who was huge on the circus and fair circuit back in the '20s but was betrayed by her owner and slaughter for food.....

this is by far my favorite album by this amazing band....it incorporates elements of rock, noise, bluegrass, harsh experimental banter, DaDaism and very artistic somewhat frightening performance art.....this will probably be enjoyed by all....or at least it should be

TockTockTock · 07-23-2011, 02:44 PM

Jihad / Live at the ECCA 1980 (2008) by Tunnel Canary

Straight from Canada's underground punk scene... Tunnel Canary were making scream-noise/free improvisational music from the late 70s to early 80s... and there was nothing quite like it at the time. Technically, this group was made up of only two people: Nathan Holiday (guitar, electronics) and Ebra Ziron (vocals). Holiday, who was the founder of the group, spoke about how punk rock wasn't really rebelious in terms of its song structure and how many of the artists were just playing the same old rock 'n' roll chords over and over again. Sounds a bit like the No Wave philosophy, huh? Anyways... he felt that someone needed to take punk rock's abrasiveness and upfront attitude and make something completely different out of it... This is what he ended up doing, and (in my opinion) he did it well. Holiday actually considers his music to be "real" punk rock due to its utter disregard of conventional song structures and his I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude to what people wanted in music. Anyways, the album itself is comprised of three lengthy tracks: "Jihad", "Beauty Secrets", and "Winterkill". They're harsh, noisy, and they have screaming female vocals.

I can't help but think that Canada has a thing for early noise music... You know... with artists, such as Intersystems and The Nihilist Spasm Band, but... I digress.

OccultHawk · 07-23-2011, 03:33 PM

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Caroliner Rainbow Open Wound Chorale - Rise of the Common Woodpile

Hell yes! I got to get it together and get caught up on the records I haven't reviewed yet. Great opening choice bob!!!

**Janszoon** · 07-23-2011, 05:37 PM

That sounds like an amazing album bob! Jack Pat, sounds like it might be interesting too. I love screaming female vocals.

bob. · 07-25-2011, 11:55 AM

jackpat....nice

...very nice

so we'll go for two more days.....i suppose if more nominations (hinthint wiinkwink know what i mean?) don't come in i'll just add more suggestion to equal....six

TockTockTock · 07-25-2011, 01:31 PM

Yea, I have a couple of albums I could nominate as well. I know that people like Janszoon, Davian Cowboy, Occult Hawk, Electrophonic Tonic, Loose_Lips_Sink_Ships, and Stu listen to experimental music, so... maybe they may have a few albums to nominate?

bob. · 07-29-2011, 08:35 AM

hmmm....maybe we should just do reviews of both albums.....what do you all think?

TockTockTock · 07-29-2011, 12:25 PM

Eh, to be honest, I would much rather just vote on one...

bob. · 07-29-2011, 12:29 PM

alright Jack give two more suggestions....i'll add two and i'll add the poll tomorrow morning

edit

PLEASE anybody else with suggestion throw them in today!

TockTockTock · 07-29-2011, 01:06 PM

Classic Erasmus Fusion (2006) by Volcano the Bear

Alright, I won't say too much about it except for the fact that it incorporates elements of: free improvisation, ambient/drone, psychedelia, world music, noise, avant-garde jazz, and various forms of folk (freak folk, free folk, and avant-folk). However, there are a few tracks have take a more traditional approach to songwriting, such as "My Favorite Tongues" and "Did You Ever Feel Like Jesus?" This is a really strong modern experimental release, and I have heard people call it a masterpiece.

天乃川 (Milky Way) (1973 Live) (1993) by Keiji Haino

Alright, here's another Keiji Haino album that I have up my sleeve... Keep in mind, though, that this recording was made eight years before his debut, Watashi Dake. Unfortunately, it was not released until 1993 which... is a damn shame considering this is a harsh noise album (from the 70s). I'll admit that the Tunnel Canary album is more fun to listen to, but, in my opinion, this is far more interesting. All in all, this is a hell of a brainfuck album.

View Poll Results: Which album would you like to discuss?
Steven Stapleton and David Tibet - Octopus	2	50.00%
Keiji Haino - 天乃川 (Milky Way) (1973 Live)	0	0%
Joe Meek and the Blue Men - I Hear a New World	0	0%
Neptune - Gong Lake	1	25.00%
Tunnel Canary - Jihad / Live at the ECCA 1980	0	0%
Volcano the Bear - Classic Erasmus Fusion	0	0%
Karlheinz Stockhausen- Hymnen	1	25.00%
Voters: 4. You may not vote on this poll

07-23-2011, 01:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	Strategies Against Architecture II - The (NEW) Avant Garde/Experimental Album Club "Wherever we are, what we hear is mostly noise. When we ignore it, it disturbs us. When we listen to it, we ﬁnd it fascinating." John Cage Welcome to the The (NEW) Avant Garde/Experimental Album Club! Since this part of the forum has been slow, this might be a good way to revive it. I'm happy there are already people interested, but anyone can join at any time. The idea is similar to other clubs here especially to tore's The Prog & Fusion Album Club. I like the idea of every chosen album having its own thread. That means we are going to suggest albums for listening in this thread and then we're going to vote for one. When suggesting an album it would be nice to include some album art along with a name, year (it's not necessary, but I like it) and a bit of info (or at least a link to allmusic, rate your music or something similar). That way we will know what we vote for. The next question would be: What makes some album avant-garde or experimental? Let's just say, any composer, musician or a band that you would write about in this part of the forum count. We're not going to be strict about tagging. This way, we have a very broad field to choose from, everything from so called high art avant-garde music to experimental genres of popular music. It just has to go out of comfort, established zone and be off-center. For the first round, we can start suggesting albums these two days. Then, I'll add poll here and we'll vote over weekend. We will have a week for listening to chosen album. Plenty of time for it to sink in. After that I'll open the discussion thread. And then we can do this weekly. If that's all right with you, I can later edit these rules to be more readable. Let's begin! -Dankrsta so i think we should try a run at this club again....i think i'll add few guidelines to it though....very similar to the general music club that Pedestrian started... we'll start of with a few days of album nominations and then i'll add a poll....then we'll have a week to discuss and vote on an album.....and then a new thread for each review....which will last about a week and then we'll start all over please be willing to actually listen to and review the album which is picked if you decide to nominate an album.....when you nominate an album add a description to help create interest.....please be open minded and not vote for your own nomination.....also if you choose to participate please be prepared to supply a digital copy of your album....as some of this stuff can be a bit difficult to track down anybody can join in with both nominations or just simply reviews at any time lets do it http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...lbum-club.html ^first club for those of you who did not know of it i'll start with...... Caroliner Rainbow Open Wound Chorale - Rise of the Common Woodpile Caroliner Rainbow is by far thee most interesting live band i have ever seen....their true identities are a mystery....but they are a cover band of an infamous singing cow named Caroliner.....who was huge on the circus and fair circuit back in the '20s but was betrayed by her owner and slaughter for food..... this is by far my favorite album by this amazing band....it incorporates elements of rock, noise, bluegrass, harsh experimental banter, DaDaism and very artistic somewhat frightening performance art.....this will probably be enjoyed by all....or at least it should be __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

07-23-2011, 02:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	Jihad / Live at the ECCA 1980 (2008) by Tunnel Canary Straight from Canada's underground punk scene... Tunnel Canary were making scream-noise/free improvisational music from the late 70s to early 80s... and there was nothing quite like it at the time. Technically, this group was made up of only two people: Nathan Holiday (guitar, electronics) and Ebra Ziron (vocals). Holiday, who was the founder of the group, spoke about how punk rock wasn't really rebelious in terms of its song structure and how many of the artists were just playing the same old rock 'n' roll chords over and over again. Sounds a bit like the No Wave philosophy, huh? Anyways... he felt that someone needed to take punk rock's abrasiveness and upfront attitude and make something completely different out of it... This is what he ended up doing, and (in my opinion) he did it well. Holiday actually considers his music to be "real" punk rock due to its utter disregard of conventional song structures and his I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude to what people wanted in music. Anyways, the album itself is comprised of three lengthy tracks: "Jihad", "Beauty Secrets", and "Winterkill". They're harsh, noisy, and they have screaming female vocals. I can't help but think that Canada has a thing for early noise music... You know... with artists, such as Intersystems and The Nihilist Spasm Band, but... I digress. Last edited by TockTockTock; 07-23-2011 at 03:11 PM.

07-23-2011, 05:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	That sounds like an amazing album bob! Jack Pat, sounds like it might be interesting too. I love screaming female vocals. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

07-25-2011, 11:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	jackpat....nice ...very nice so we'll go for two more days.....i suppose if more nominations (hinthint wiinkwink know what i mean?) don't come in i'll just add more suggestion to equal....six __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

07-25-2011, 01:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	Yea, I have a couple of albums I could nominate as well. I know that people like Janszoon, Davian Cowboy, Occult Hawk, Electrophonic Tonic, Loose_Lips_Sink_Ships, and Stu listen to experimental music, so... maybe they may have a few albums to nominate?

07-29-2011, 08:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	hmmm....maybe we should just do reviews of both albums.....what do you all think? __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

07-29-2011, 12:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	Eh, to be honest, I would much rather just vote on one...

07-29-2011, 12:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	alright Jack give two more suggestions....i'll add two and i'll add the poll tomorrow morning edit PLEASE anybody else with suggestion throw them in today! __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

07-29-2011, 01:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
TockTockTock They/Them Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,914	Classic Erasmus Fusion (2006) by Volcano the Bear Alright, I won't say too much about it except for the fact that it incorporates elements of: free improvisation, ambient/drone, psychedelia, world music, noise, avant-garde jazz, and various forms of folk (freak folk, free folk, and avant-folk). However, there are a few tracks have take a more traditional approach to songwriting, such as "My Favorite Tongues" and "Did You Ever Feel Like Jesus?" This is a really strong modern experimental release, and I have heard people call it a masterpiece. 天乃川 (Milky Way) (1973 Live) (1993) by Keiji Haino Alright, here's another Keiji Haino album that I have up my sleeve... Keep in mind, though, that this recording was made eight years before his debut, Watashi Dake. Unfortunately, it was not released until 1993 which... is a damn shame considering this is a harsh noise album (from the 70s). I'll admit that the Tunnel Canary album is more fun to listen to, but, in my opinion, this is far more interesting. All in all, this is a hell of a brainfuck album. Last edited by TockTockTock; 08-08-2011 at 10:48 AM.