Russian modernism

jadis · 04-23-2022, 02:13 PM

Speaking of Shosta, this is him at his most fiery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rniK...ilGilels-Topic

Ayn Marx · 05-19-2022, 06:41 PM

I wonder if the Russian term for MODERNISM triggers the suspicions of todays cultural authorities who have a long history of punishing composers who strayed from the official line.

https://www.mdc.edu/wolfson/academic..._modernism.htm

jadis · 05-20-2022, 05:50 AM

Yeah from what I can tell Zhdanovshchina is very much back in force

GD · 05-21-2022, 02:03 PM

I think Alexander Scriabin deserves a shout in this thread. Might seem strange to describe him as a "modernist" since he belonged to the pre-WW1 generation of Russian composers, but many of his works are really innovative, especially the late ones that flirt with polytonality and even atonality.

Spoiler for Prometheus: The Poem of Fire:

Spoiler for Deux Poèmes, op. 71:

Spoiler for Vers la flamme, Op. 72:

jadis · Yesterday, 05:42 AM

Absolutely. The late Scriabin comes closer to atonality than most of Prokofiev's or Shostakovich's works that I know. These preludes are another great example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApCm3UO6nQ

Ayn Marx · Yesterday, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GD

I think Alexander Scriabin deserves a shout in this thread. Might seem strange to describe him as a "modernist" since he belonged to the pre-WW1 generation of Russian composers, but many of his works are really innovative, especially the late ones that flirt with polytonality and even atonality.

Spoiler for Prometheus: The Poem of Fire:

Spoiler for Deux Poèmes, op. 71:

Spoiler for Vers la flamme, Op. 72:

Thanks for posting those links. My organ teacher made a transcription of those pieces I found almost impossible to get right. Even just reading them now is scary. Great work though (with a subtle undertow of madness?)
Not Russian but I’m reminded of Alkan whose originality, eccentricity and scary technical difficulty is too often ignored.

jadis · Today, 03:15 AM

The only thing Alcan has in common with Scriabin is that they both feature prominently in the repertoire of Marc-André Hamelin.

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04-23-2022, 02:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 754	Speaking of Shosta, this is him at his most fiery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rniK...ilGilels-Topic

05-19-2022, 06:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
Ayn Marx Music Addict Join Date: May 2022 Location: Australia Posts: 60	I wonder if the Russian term for MODERNISM triggers the suspicions of todays cultural authorities who have a long history of punishing composers who strayed from the official line. https://www.mdc.edu/wolfson/academic..._modernism.htm

05-20-2022, 05:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 754	Yeah from what I can tell Zhdanovshchina is very much back in force

Yesterday, 05:42 AM	#25 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 754	Absolutely. The late Scriabin comes closer to atonality than most of Prokofiev's or Shostakovich's works that I know. These preludes are another great example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApCm3UO6nQ

Today, 03:15 AM	#27 (permalink)
jadis Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: dont ask Posts: 754	The only thing Alcan has in common with Scriabin is that they both feature prominently in the repertoire of Marc-André Hamelin.