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Old 12-19-2011, 11:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Still mostly sounds like something GY!BE would make though.
But I like that band - and I'm not at all trying to degrade the musicianship of Scelsi or those who can play what he wrote.
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:00 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Still mostly sounds like something GY!BE would make though.
But I like that band - and I'm not at all trying to degrade the musicianship of Scelsi or those who can play what he wrote.
Naw, I know. Not trying to bash post-rock which I have nothing really against.

Just thought I'd throw it out, though. Has to take a great deal of imagination to get those kinds of sounds out of acoustic instruments as it's not typically their nature. When you can sit in one place, and have the resonance relayed back to you, it's easy to hone it. When you're sitting at a piece of note paper with a piano, you have to draw simply from the sounds in your head.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:04 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Popular music does take things from classical, ambient music is no doubt another example. Often people think some popular music group is totally original in their sound, but often they are only really original within their genre, aspects of their music are often found in earlier more experimental music. That's why I think originality in popular music genres can get really overrated as people only look at something from the limited perspective of the more famous and publicised genre they are used to.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:16 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Popular music does take things from classical, ambient music is no doubt another example. Often people think some popular music group is totally original in their sound, but often they are only really original within their genre, aspects of their music are often found in earlier more experimental music. That's why I think originality in popular music genres can get really overrated as people only look at something from the limited perspective of the more famous and publicised genre they are used to.
Fascinating
I never thought of post-rock bands as sounding all that original but I suppose this explains why troglodytes like myself think Scelsi sounds like one?
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Actually I wasn't specifically referring to you in my post, I have no idea what knowledge you may have of various areas of music.

A good recent example to me of my point is the Colin Stetson album. Some are amazed that a solo saxaphonist can do a virtuoso album like that, but jazz musicans have pushed the boundaries in that way for decades.
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I sort of skimmed the dialogue, and I haven't heard Godspeed yet, so forgive me if this isn't really the point, but:

Post rock is predicated on the use of rock instrumentation to generate an atmosphere, is it not? So technically, Scelsi can't be classified as such, and if we want to go further, he was composing this music really before rock came about in the first place.

Though it's possible to have influenced post-rock? I wouldn't know. I just know he makes my skin crawl. Just got The Orchestral Works 2, very excited.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I suppose much of popular music that tries for larger scale music is influenced by classical which has been doing it for hundreds of years. The problem I have with quite a lot of post-rock is much of it doesn't sound as inventive or as deep as it purports and just ends up being a slow build up followed by a big crescendo of sound by the end of each track.
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