Is there any metal on the top 40 right now?

If you actually read your post right here and the one you quoted, you'll notice how you were the one bringing in the whole mainstream bit. Read the OP, answer the question right.

Classical music is eternal. Not only it is the embodiment of a time-tested harmony, but what would evil scientist listen to in the movies, if not to classical violin music ?

Burning Down is around lurking. She needs to come back to her thread and clarify what she means.

I don't fully understand the premise of this thread. Classical music is timeless and perhaps the most relevant genre since most modern musicians have studied classical to some extent or other. Even my husband (who pretty much exclusively listens to mainstream music), is a huge classical enthusiast and is constantly playing Tchaikovsky, Vivaldi, and Holtz.

So this is basically the question she wanted answered. I don't think the thread title does that question justice. Most people just look at the thread title and respond based off of that.

The second part of her question covers the category that your husband would fit into.

I don't see how he would fit into that category of niche listeners seeing as how I described his musical habits as pretty mainstream. I think that even the most basic listener today has been exposed (perhaps indirectly and without personal intent) and thereby somewhat affected by classical music seeing as how it's found embedded in modern pop culture everywhere (ie: dramatizing cat-n-mouse scenes in familiar cartoons, in the background of most car commercials, etc). To say it isn't relevant to the modern person would pretty much mean that that person has been living under a rock without internet access for his entire existence.

^Who is "he"? Your husband?

The Internet is the biggest element of DJ and my disagreement. It's changed the way that people consume music and has in turn made niche genres more relevant than they ever would be. 30 years ago, the charts would be a good indicator of that time's music and I'd agree with DJ on that because of how much the radio drove the music culture of the time. I just think it's changed, become more fragmented, and we can look beyond the charts and still maintain a relevant idea of what people listen to these days.

Yes, I was referring to my husband in the example.

To be honest, I don't really know anyone who regularly listens to mainstream radio for anything other than politics, weather/traffic updates, or sports (even my husband will only listen to music if nothing else is on and he doesn't have phone reception or something). But for us to pontificate as though we music enthusiasts are the only ones who appreciate classical is a little pretentious and a lot delusional... even for us. ;)

Classical music bleeds over and we end up hearing pieces because certain pieces are over played and seep into everything we consume but just because that happens. It doesn't mean that people are actively listening to classical music on a regular basis.

No one wants to admit that they listen to mainstream radio but mainstream radio as a lot of influence and people that don't want to listen to mainstream radio end up listening to it whether it is through work or while in their car and it's a short drive or you get into someone else's ride and they have the top 40 station on.

Mainstream radio exists, yes. It's just not the driving force of "today's music" anymore.

For me, today's music means music that comes out today. Some of that is classical music.

That might be true nowadays but the audience is still pretty big. Big enough to be considered today's music. Music/genres that people mostly listen to and want to hear.

Today's music is made up of mainstream radio + more niche genres that also get quite a bit of play is my main point here.

Also, niche genres influence a good bit of mainstream music more so now than before the age of on-tap online musical whims.

Today's music is such an ambiguous term. I mean that would put Frown's music in the same category as One Direction (are they still popular?)

No way would Frown's creation get radioplay/that amount of exposure.

The more niche generals aren't as popular as you think it is though. Being inside the music nerd bubble you think that niche genres get more play than they actually do

Pretty massive bubble. I think it counts.

Here's the problem DJ. You're on a music site that's modded by an Avant-Garde obsessed individual, the sites most popular member listens to extreme metal, and the most popular artist on the site has multiple projects for different kinds of music, none of which you could call mainstream.

If I'm in a conversation with our average music listener and the person says today's music I will assume that individual means what's on the radio. But being on this site, we're not in a conversation with your average music listener. So it seems kind of ridiculous that a moderator of this site would say today's music and not mean it as in music being made/listened to today.

That's not really a problem. The question in the OP specifically addresses that point and I'm pretty sure she meant for this discussion to apply to those outside of our circle. It was meant to talk about the average casual music listener.

The music enthusiast circle is WAY bigger than you're giving it credit for. Those people don't just all of a sudden stop counting because they're not the lowest common denominator.

The initial question posed by BD has nothing to do with artistic relevance though.

Is this thread still relevant today?

It will be relevant for 3 more years.

Most people use Facebook and Twitter, not forums. Just because we're in that niche doesn't mean everyone is. This thread was never relevant.

You are finally catching on. :clap:

Yeah it's absolutely relevant and I agree with all of you.

But we have to talk even about the role of classical music in the advertising and marketing in general.

In the cinema for example, the use of modern classical pieces is not random, in fact the classical music is the only one that can forwad collectively a lot of feels and tell alone a lot of stories.


A practical example: Forrest Gump opening scene

I strongly disagree.

Me too. Many other genres can move a story forwad successfully, it's just that the standard is classical music.

Classical music helps emit the emotion without stealing the scene away from the actors.

And there's a reason why every music teacher ever will say minor chords are sad blah blah blah.

Ok this according your point of view, I'm talking about what producers actually do.

take me some examples of trailer/teaser/entire scenes of a movies that want to encrease the emotional stuff with a different genre (don't take me the trailer of Suicide Squad please that its juxtaposition of a song in a different situation became a trend).

Usually metal is also used in action movies, but a genre to a genre.

All trailers use an audio language that is performed by orchestra or that it followed the print of classical music. (James Horner,the composer of Titanic soundtrack for example takes inspirations by classical composer like Prokofiev or Wagner and mix their sound with electronic instruments)

The audio track used for the first time in the trailer of Spiderman 2 by Sam Raimi, that epic track with the usual "beat" in sequence, this type of "soundtrack" is arleady used in ALMOST ALL movies and videogames trailer.
And you can't do it with a different music genre.

All the most famous movies' soundtrack are modern classical music as genre, Star Wars, Jaws, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Inception, Harry Potter etc..

It's a standard yeah, because it works and it's totally revelant.. so Frownland, you are agree with me saying that lol

I think that you two that before wrote "I'm totally disagree" now are writing, in a different way, what I'm saying lol

1blankmind, classical music can emit the emotion even if the actors are not present, like the opening scene of Forrest Gump

John Williams (the composer, not John Williams the classical guitar player) wrote the score for Star Wars, Jaws, Jurassic Park (I,II), Indian Jones.

Eh I know dude and I like a lot his works!

I read it (and the rest of your post I quoted here reads that way too) as if you were saying classical music was the standard because it is more effective than other genres, which isn't true.

Here's some movies with a nonclassical soundtrack
A Streetcar Named Desire
Dead Man
Anatomy of a Murder
Inside Llewyn Davis
Reservoir Dogs
Goodfellas
Naked Lunch
Trainspotting
Etc.

Scotland, Pa. brought "Mac Beth" to the 70s and set it to a soundtrack consisting only of Bad Company songs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Okay you did interesting examples, for sure you have good taste in movies, but I have something to say about them.

During the 60's Jazz had the main role in the cinema, and obviously if you have to do a movie about american gangstar is better jazz or ragtime than classical, or you can do a movie about gangster and put it Beethoven and make A Clockwork Orange 2.0

Anyway, all the movies that you names (all fantastic movies) are not commercial movies (except the 60's ones)
But you know that if I have to do a list of movies that use classical music to strenghten their stories, mine'll be bigger.

But Frownland I'm defending classical music not because I'm a classical music lover, but because nowadays all commercial movies and trailer of those movies push a lot in the audio language and the emotional contagion, in which audio has a really important role.. and the 80% of the case directors diceded to emit feels through classical music. But this is not my point of view, it's what the producers are doing (and it's the second time that I'm saying this).
Yeah there are a lot of movies around, seriously a lot, and it's impossible, objectively talking, that all movies have the same musical genre as soundtrack, but I started talking about marketing and I have to show you that in this mudhole called marketing the use of some classical track is almost a must, please go and watch the trailers of the last commercial movies, you can see from yourself that the tracks are quite similar.

However this thread doesn't talk about the difference between classical music and other genres or if movies have or not another genres as soundtrack (even if I was talking about the emit of feels through classical music in fact I did the example of the opening scene of Forrest Gump that explain very well what I'm saying) but if classical musical is revelant nowadays.
And well it is.

I don't know this movie

Irrelevant.

I'm aware of how ubiquitous it is in the industry. I just think it's so for arbitrary reasons. Rock, jazz, folk, electronica, and really any other genre can be used just as successfully as classical. I quite love classical music, it's just not the be all end all of soundtracks.

Not what I was saying. My point was that classical is a genre that will emit emotion while not stealing the scene from the actors. Not that it needs a scene to emit emotion.

All genres emit emotion. Like R.E.M.'s losing my religion emits a sad emotion.

It's really a shame that not only Classical music is often overlooked, but also movie adaptions of famous English writers like William Shakespeare. The movie is based on Macbeth and takes place in Scotland, Pa. - in a restaurant called "McBeth's." It ... has... Christopher Walken ... in it.

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