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Raskolnikov 06-09-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1844185)
It's a pretty common place for people to go dress up, be nice, and feel classy for a night. I've had workmates (I work in the mortgage industry in San Diego, so yuppies are abound) say they were going to to the orchestra and when I follow up with classical music discussion (which composer? what kind do you like?), they usually say something along the lines of "oh I just go because it's nice." These people are typically desperate slaves to social custom and would break their fingers if it was the socially correct/propelling thing to do.

I actually think it's becoming less common the more we move away from classical music being exclusively for kings and royal elite, but it's still present.

I think this kind of exclusion is a big part of what turns ordinary folks off to classical music--the pretense that you have to know something about 19th century music to be able to enjoy it, or even be accepted by the audience at the hall. I know next to nothing about sports, but I'd be a little put off if one of my coworkers drilled me on teams/players/stats after I mentioned that I'm going to a basketball game that night. Does that make me a slave to social customs?

You're right about classical music having a strong association with aristocracy and royal patronage, but I think that hurts it a whole lot more than it helps it. I think a lot more people would be exposed to and benefit from classical music if there weren't such a strong perception that you need education, insider knowledge, wealth and power to enjoy it. If someone wants a good excuse to get dressed up, have a nice dinner and enjoy the whole concert hall experience, why should you stop them? After all, they're putting their money into the same orchestras that folks like you and me are, which allows them to keep performing that beautiful music. You shouldn't need any cultural credentials to enjoy or be welcome at the symphony.

Frownland 06-09-2017 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (Post 1844191)
I think this kind of exclusion is a big part of what turns ordinary folks off to classical music--the pretense that you have to know something about 19th century music to be able to enjoy it, or even be accepted by the audience at the hall.

This doesn't really reflect what I described though, it's more that their lack of knowledge reflects how they view the genre.

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I know next to nothing about sports, but I'd be a little put off if one of my coworkers drilled me on teams/players/stats after I mentioned that I'm going to a basketball game that night. Does that make me a slave to social customs?
If you were going to the game to get laid or something, then the answer is yes.

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If someone wants a good excuse to get dressed up, have a nice dinner and enjoy the whole concert hall experience, why should you stop them? After all, they're putting their money into the same orchestras that folks like you and me are, which allows them to keep performing that beautiful music.
I'm not stopping them. I'm just saying that their prevalence weakens your point of concert attendance proving classical music's relevancy. Also I find that kind of person to be annoying.

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You shouldn't need any cultural credentials to enjoy or be welcome at the symphony.
See this is actually why I don't want people to go see an orchestra for the reasons mentioned earlier: it reinforces the idea that you do need cultural credentials to be welcome at the symphony.

Also very happy to see a new member so willing to get into a deep discussion. Hope you stick around mate.

Raskolnikov 06-09-2017 01:41 PM

I see what you're saying--concert attendance is only a reliable metric of relevancy insofar as the music is relevant to the people in attendance. That's an important point, and one that I'd agree with. Apologies if it was lost on me.

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This doesn't really reflect what I described though, it's more that their lack of knowledge reflects how they view the genre.
I generally agree with you here, especially since the people who know the least about classical music are the most likely to dismiss it as an archaic, aristocratic, or irrelevant genre of music. Those kinds of people annoy me too. But, we should be more forgiving of people who are at least willing to give it a try, even if their intentions aren't totally pure. What better way to begin an education in classical music than at the concert hall?

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Also very happy to see a new member so willing to get into a deep discussion. Hope you stick around mate.
It's easy when it's folks who are as thoughtful and intelligent as you! Thanks for the warm welcome :D

aviatrix1932 06-21-2017 11:53 AM

I have written two books on music, creation, science, language and theology. It is my confirmed belief that the entire Creation event was musical in nature-----that is the Creation commands were SUNG by God, the Creator. Science is now claiming that without vibration, frequency and SOUND, the entire universe would collapse. That puts an entirely new spin on the origins of music---and even the origins of everything. I am anxious to get responses. aviatrix1932

The Batlord 06-21-2017 02:32 PM

Please remain on this forum.

Sixty_9 06-27-2017 04:53 AM

I'm a lover of classical music, and I listen to it virtually all the time. I remember the "C-Music" channel that was on "DSTV" a while ago, it was my go to channel. Then one day I switch my TV on and it's no longer there...
This is the story of classical music (and will be the story of every kind of music as time goes on)
One day it's the new rave and everyone loves it, then time passes by, people change, new genres show up... and soon it becomes even difficult to find a CD in the music store.

Lets be grateful for the internet, because as long as it exists (and cloud storage too), "WE" the select few who still love and appreciate good old classical and chamber music will always be able to find solace! *sits down*

Chula Vista 06-27-2017 11:51 AM

May have posted this already but it's good enough for a reboot.



Got to see this live. Other than having babies, getting married, and meeting The Bat, one of the most amazing experiences of my life.



Centuries old classical is the origins of extreme heavy metal. If you disagree I will fight you.

Quite simply, one of the most incredible compositions.

Chula Vista 06-27-2017 12:06 PM

The section that starts at 14:00 brings me to my knees and tears to my eyes.

GD 06-27-2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1850409)
Centuries old classical is the origins of extreme heavy metal. If you disagree I will fight you.

Centuries old classical music is (one of) the origins of ALL western music with Blues being equally important in the realm of popular music.

Frownland 06-27-2017 12:39 PM

Not to mention that the piece posted is not even one century old yet.....

GD 06-27-2017 12:40 PM

^not sure if he was referring specifically to that, so I didn't mention it

Mindfulness 09-18-2017 11:13 AM




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The Batlord 09-18-2017 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 1874945)

I wish to know where you get all these smileys.

Plankton 09-18-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1874948)
I wish to know where you get all these smileys.

I see a few in here:
https://itsbx.com/

...and they're just images, not smiley BBCode.

FredericBernard 09-18-2017 05:17 PM

It is for sure!!

Dude111 09-19-2017 06:06 AM

The last few days I havent been feeling well and I've been listening to a classical station in my area while sleeping........ Its ok I guess....

Spectralmusic 09-19-2017 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1875071)
The last few days I havent been feeling well and I've been listening to a classical station in my area while sleeping........ Its ok I guess....

Why the **** would you listen to a radio for classical music? you're only gonna get the bull**** benign, sappy bull**** stuff.

If you're only just getting into classical, try youtube and explore everything you can written since 1900: particularly the stuff termed "modernism", "post-modernism", "serialism" and "minimalism", lots of AMAZING stuff that sounds nothing like Mozart :beer:

Frownland 09-19-2017 08:09 PM

With radio, you never know. The classical station in my area is run by SDSU and plays modern stuff quite often.

musicami 10-05-2017 04:56 AM

It's good as study music..... no words but full of emotions.

ElliotKempton 04-22-2018 06:49 AM

yes

Mayor 04-24-2018 08:15 AM

Why not!

Tor E Bekken 09-17-2018 07:18 AM

All music is relevant.

ziggywas 01-21-2019 11:54 AM

of course it is.

windsock 01-21-2019 12:29 PM

It's eternally relevant, as is every other genre that was influential in any way.

The Batlord 01-21-2019 12:33 PM

Can the mods please rename this thread "White Knighting 4 Mozart"?

Frownland 01-21-2019 12:56 PM

Fuck that frilly bitch.

windsock 01-21-2019 12:57 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_and_scatology

elphenor 01-25-2019 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by windsock (Post 2036020)
It's eternally relevant, as is every other genre that was influential in any way.

eternally boring amiright

MicShazam 01-25-2019 09:31 AM

Good classical music is easily better than 90% of the stuff people post on MB.

Frownland 01-25-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2037638)
eternally boring amiright

Not nearly as boring as rejectionism.

That said, classical music poseurs are infinitely more obnoxious than punk poseurs.

MicShazam 01-25-2019 09:40 AM

Wow! I can't even imagine such a level of annoying!

The Batlord 01-25-2019 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2037656)
Not nearly as boring as rejectionism.

That said, classical music poseurs are infinitely more obnoxious than punk poseurs.

Present company excluded of course.

Frownland 01-25-2019 10:30 AM

Once he starts voting Republican he'll realize that he was a classical music poseur all along.

elphenor 01-25-2019 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2037638)
amiright

yea you're right

Psy-Fi 01-28-2019 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2037673)
Once he starts voting Republican he'll realize that he was a classical music poseur all along.

https://i.ibb.co/0K0CZsN/B.jpg

windsock 01-28-2019 08:56 PM

postimage > ImageBB

The Batlord 08-20-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesRolandBerry (Post 2181944)
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Nice try, Danny Elfman! We see through your grift!

SGR 08-21-2021 09:27 PM

I voted no on this one.

No one (in general), by choice, goes out of their way to listen to classical music any more. Tastes change. Today, classical music basically has a niche of performances at amphitheaters so that bougie people can spend lots of money to feel classy and sophisticated and pretend that they enjoy and appreciate what they're hearing. Fitting for a style of music that originally was mostly commissioned to be created and performed by rich nobleman and royalty of old.

Classical music, like most genres of music in the past that were popular, has made its imprint in the form of influence, but as for its relevance today? Nah, it ain't. If I want to hear music that is interesting and compelling, I'd sooner reach for latter-career recordings from Miles and Coltrane than Mozart and Cannabich.

jadis 08-22-2021 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2182089)
Mozart and Cannabich.

lol where did you even find this one?

My parents are Russian piano nerds and I played sonatinas by Mozart, Clementi and Cimarosa as a little kid, but never heard of this guy.

Sort of agree with your main point, with quite a few caveats. Voted no too.

One caveat is that when people say "classical music" today, what they typically mean is bland, pompous and precious orchestral kitsch (often written by the British of all people, the country known in the 19th century as Das Land ohne Musik) that's closer to Hollywood soundtracks than anything "classical" I listen to these days.

The Batlord 08-22-2021 06:38 AM

I'll take 20th century classical over free jazz tbh.


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