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Old 06-22-2014, 07:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I was wondering... If pop music gets played by a symphonic orchestra, can you call it classical music? Where is the line from then on?
For me, most definitely not.
Of course one could argue and harangue each other with endless variations of the definitions of classical music and whether simply a form of orchestra, symphony, sonata or whatever of a piece makes it classical or whether it has to have been written before C20.
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Pop music can be arranged in a classical style. I am not sure whether that makes it classical music. Is Gerswhin's music classical? Or is it jazz music arranged in a classical style? I think his intentions play a large part in the decision. He wanted to write classical music. Then maybe it is up to us to change our attitude to the subject. If someone intends to write classical music using ideas from another genre, maybe we should give them a fair hearing.
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Old 08-06-2014, 09:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hell no! I don't even think new "classical" compositions nowadays should be named Classical since it's not classical.
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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"Classical" is a finicky term. To many, it means, "that old music, like Mozart and Bach and stuff. It has Violins." To Classical Music junkies, it often means music from the Western classical tradition, but specifically from the Classical period, ie, post Baroque, pre-Romantic, with Beethoven included or excluded ambiguously... To any musicologist, "Classical" music is just the music of the 'educated' musicians, anything that is passed on by strict, theorized, often notated pedagogy, rather than pop or folk....

BUT, we can probably agree that we just mean, "Western-Styled Music from the Classical Tradition."

In which case, it depends. If you mean the Boston Pops, then no. It is not classical any more than The Beatles were classical when they hired an orchestra. On the flip side, it's perfectly possible to compose classical music for drum set, two guitars, bass, and a pop singer.

If the music itself is "pop" in nature, then it remains "pop" even if "classical" musicians perform it.

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Hell no! I don't even think new "classical" compositions nowadays should be named Classical since it's not classical.
And, not to be a pedantic snark, but there IS a big difference between "classical" and "Classical," as regards music. Lowercase, it is very broad, and signifies any music that comes from a musically literate tradition, be it European, North African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, etc. Lowercase, it differentiates only from "Folk" and "Pop."

Capitalized, it refers specifically to the period, you know, after-Bach, before-Chopin. Many also extend the term to apply to earlier and later composers who don't stray too far, thereby including Guillame de Machaut and Palestrina as well as Wagner and Debussy, etc.

It's a tricky term, but I think we know what the OP was really asking about!

TLDR; Classical is a tricky term, but Orchestral Pops and the currently trending "Epic" filmscore are not really classical in ANY sense of the term.
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
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yes! even if playe dby orchestra pop music is orchestra music still.!
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Mr. Feliciano's version is total surf music. It doesn't sound very good though.

Whether it turns into Classical music or not depends upon the way it was "recomposed". If it's done adhering to composing principles of one or another style of Classical music (maybe add a basso continuo or whatever), it is classical, as much as a song that takes Classical music and turns it into a rock ballad is actually rock.
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:56 AM   #17 (permalink)
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yes! even if playe dby orchestra pop music is orchestra music still.!
Yes!


There is a classical 50 Shades of Gray version of Beyonce's Crazy in Love and it is also played by a classical orchestra.
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