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Old 01-20-2018, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The South African Music Thread!

inb4 the influx of Die Antwoord posts

But seriously, all the years this site's been around and no one's bothered with a South African music thread? Cause I didn't see **** when I searched this particular section.

Anyway, this is for all South African music: be it traditional folk songs, native or Afrikaner, as well as modern South African music.
Again: all South African music, of any genre or era.

I don't personally like Die Antwoord, and the fact that they're one of South Africa's most known exports makes me lol pretty hard, but this is for all South African music so feel free to share that if you want.

My contributions to this thread will most likely be through the sharing of more traditional fare.
That, and some obligatory Afrikaans lessons.

To start us off: here's the music of Marais and Miranda. Pretty interesting that in 1946 they were recording songs with English and Afrikaans thrown in. There's always been a rivalry of sorts between white English speakers and Afrikaans speakers in South Africa - er, a friendly one, of course...

My god these tunes are so much fun to sing/hum along to. These are all from 1946.
Johnny With The Bandy Legs:


The Capetown Girls:


Sugarbush - or Suikerbossie:


EDIT: Here's my rec to newcomers to both South African music and this thread:
Give the 1983 album Work For All by Juluka a listen:

Bullets For Bafazane - Juluka


And! Hugh Masekela's Soweto Blues
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Old 01-20-2018, 03:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I can't stand Die Antwoord.

I tend to gravitate towards Northern African music tbh but even then I don't explore much.

Those Marais tracks were not what I expected and make me wonder how apartheid plays into all of the region's music, but still nice. Do you have any recommendations for good artists or regional genres?
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I can't stand Die Antwoord.
Lol you and me both.

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I tend to gravitate towards Northern African music tbh but even then I don't explore much.

Those Marais tracks were not what I expected and make me wonder how apartheid plays into all of the region's music, but still nice. Do you have any recommendations for good artists or regional genres?
Ah, apartheid... now there's a tricky and sensitive subject. Interesting because 1946 was actually two years before apartheid was implemented in the country.

I'm afraid I can't give good recommendations on anything more recent because I've never even visited South Africa, and my connection with the culture is purely through familial ties (father immigrated from there).

I'd be more than happy to offer some cultural tidbits though if anyone's interested in history ****.
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I don't just dislike Die Antwoord, I think they're pure garbage with no redeeming qualities. Sadly, they're the ambassador of music for South Africa in some sense.

Kind of shameful that I know nothing else from South Africa.
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Well, here's a Zulu chant, Ihashe, as performed by Marais and Miranda. Using some Google Translate, the song's title is Zulu for horse, but in modern orthography it's actually spelled ihasshi.

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I don't just dislike Die Antwoord, I think they're pure garbage with no redeeming qualities. Sadly, they're the ambassador of music for South Africa in some sense.

Kind of shameful that I know nothing else from South Africa.
Lol I'd be embarrassed if I was actually South African.
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Hey! I'm excited to see a thread dedicated to South African music; as a country, they have an extraordinary fertility of music and musical styles.

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Anyway, this is for all South African music: be it traditional folk songs, native or Afrikaner, as well as modern South African music.

To start us off: here's the music of Marais and Miranda.
^ I'm going to take you at your word, GGrace, and post a couple of links if you don't mind. Those Maias and Miranda songs are interesting, with that genuine, original, crackly 78 sound - you'll find more of that in a thread I started when I was, with great enthusiasm exploring South African Jazz:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ican-jazz.html

And here is a post that was made ages ago about modern South African music. Surprisingly, the link still works, so thank you, zeppy111:-
http://www.musicbanter.com/743648-post260.html

And here's a favourite fun song:-

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Awesome, thanks for sharing these Lisna. And yes, I'll reiterate:

This thread is for all South African music, of any genre or era. I just happen to really like Marais and Miranda, so please don't think that this is limited to traditional or folk stuff.

South African jazz... now that sounds interesting! I'll have to give these a listen later when I have the time.
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And here's a favourite fun song:-

Just got done listening to this. I managed to dig up a bit more on the album this particular song came from - Ice Cream & Suckers.

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What kind of music is popular with the urban African? ICE CREAM & SUCKERS, a new album of South African soul, gives you a good cross-section of current sound in Africa. The roots of this music go as far back as the traditional Bantu music played in the homelands far away from the influence of city life. These basic melody lines, with their repretitive themes, have been retained in much current music, and will appeal to listeners interested in Afro-culture and the unique, pure, Afro sounds. Other selections show how older styles, instrumentation, and even rhythms have changed and reflect the modern beat that appeals to the urban African taste.
Here also is the track listing for the album. The video Lisna shared had both songs by the Soweto Stokvel Septette. Soweto's a township of Johannesburg (hence the name; Southwestern Township), so we know where they came from... wonder how the septette's faring these days.

A1. Soweto Stokvel Septette - Ice Cream & Suckers (2:28)
A2. Mr. Dube - Mr. Dube No. 5 (2:15)
A3. Jabulani Quads - Sweetie Love (2:25)
A4. Mr. Bull - Mr. Bull No. 4 (2:20)
A5. S. D. V. Swing Band - School In (2:33)
A6. Cassius The Great - Brown Pepper (2:20)
B1. Mr. Bull - Mr. Bull No. 3 (2:20)
B2. Mr. Dube - Mr. Dube No. 7 (2:17)
B3. T. V. Sisters - Lindi (2:10)
B4. Cassius The Great - Sunny Side Up No. 2 (2:20)
B5. S. D. V. Swing Band - Yo-Yo Jive (2:30)
B6. Soweto Stokvel Septette - Ice Cream & Suckers No. 2 (2:17)

Really interesting and it sounds almost haunting at times. You can really feel the African urban vibes.
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^ Well, I'm happy that someone else is interested in SA's music, but I know that too many recs can be overwhelming. In fact, although I downloaded zeppy's file, I haven't listened to many of the tracks yet.

Nonetheless, here are yet more clips, this time from three of the big names of SA music, from about the 60s through to 90s era:-

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..... I imagine your dad might recognize these names

EDIT: Well researched, GGrace, on that album that included the Soweto Stokvel Septette. That was very interesting, about the name Soweto - I had no idea where it came from!
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