Israel's Birthday
 

This is not a thread celebrating it. This is a thread asking whether or not you consider it moral or right. Whether or not Israel has a right to exist. I'm asking because today I saw people protesting outside my synogagues with signs along the lines of '60 years of land theft isn't something to celebrate'. Thoughts?

I think anyone who does not vote "isreal should exist" is a complete and utter fool.

Isreal bought the land, plain and simple. There was no theft, just a simple purchase which the sellers did not like after they had done it.

They did not think the jews would use the land as there homeland, and after the fact tried getting there land back by basically saying the jews stole it from them.






Plllease dont get me started on this issue, its absurd.

Isreal should exist

Well, actually Palestine was a British Territory and the British pulled out in '47 then the U.N. moved in and divvied the land up.

Moot question, it will never just cease to exist.

How about asking do the Palestinians have a right to their own country?

Edit: Also, the same question could be asked on 4th of July...:\

That's not the question Adidass, the question is do you think it should.

So? It's there now and isn't going to simply stop existing because some people on the internet decided it shouldn't. These kind of "debates (I use this term loosely)" go nowhere.

I think there's plenty of shitty things both sides have done to the other but I don't think either nation should be annihilated because of that. So no, I don't think Israel should cease to exist.

I've answered your question, now you answer mine...

Shouldn't exist, no right, no need, complete lack of ethics involved in it's creation. It was the first state built by terrorists, and thus will always be a terrorist state.

Israel is a terrorist state?

WTF are you talking about?

You sir should try opening a book.

Anti Semitism Alert!

The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism for over three thousand years. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of the Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[8] The Arab League rejected the plan, but on May 14, 1948, the Jewish provisional government declared Israel's independence. The new country's victory in the subsequent Arab-Israeli War expanded the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[9] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and even the State's very right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors. However, Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and efforts are being made to reach a permanent accord with the Palestinians.

maybe..they should respect some peoples homeland

Kettle, cat, black.

Keep it insult free mikey...thanks.

well, the Palestinians should have not been forcibly removed just because they refused the treaty thing, uhg,

More just knowing-how-****-Palestinians-have-it and how much of a murderous bastard of a state Israel is. I don't care how big their noses are, anybody acts the way they do and they get just as little respect.

I don't like Israel's government either, but the reason Palestinians don't have a homeland is because of other Arab countries, not Israel. Palestinians were displaced by what? Oh yah, attacks by Arab nations.

What are you talking about? Nothing is ever going to change because of a debate here.

Yeah but this is just debating why the color white is white. This is possibly the most pointless attempt at a political debate since MadeInNY made that thread on the boston tea party about who was right and who was wrong.

The thread is about whether or not the creation of Israel was ethical. Real pointless and irrevelent.

Shit Batman you're correct. History is subjective and ethics are objective. So it's very worth discussing obviously.

**** batman. Music is objective. So it's very worth discussing obviously.

My post wasn't a political statement, it was a response to a since deleted post made above my remark.

For the record, I voted for Israel's right to exist.
I would have voted for Palestinian rights too, but it's not an option in this thread.

Throwing an Englishman's tea in a river is plain evil...case closed.

lol WHUT? So because of attacks by Arab nations, the Palestinians lose land to the Israeli state? Explain to me how that works?

That's like saying "Because Germany attacks us, France should probably take control of Switzerland. It's only fer securitah."

Fair's fair, didn't realise.

no worries.

No, Palestinians lost land because of being forced from their homes by Arab attacks, then being refused entrance to Jordan, despite the entire point of Jordan being to house the Palestinians.

And Palestinians had to lose their homes, jobs and lives because they did .... what exactly?

Uh, nothing, but it's not Israel's fault. In fact 2.5 million Palestinians still live in the west bank. Israel's done everything it can. The toher Arab countries give Israel peace, no problems.

If the gypsy's were zionists we'd have Gystown in Lesbianland

I'm still waiting for my question to be answered....

That's what Jordan was supposed to be. It was originally half of Israel. Then the Arabs attacked which made refugees out of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. 2.5 million of them live on the West Bank. In fact, the only states who oppose a State Of Palestine's official recognition are it's fellow Arab countries.

You mean half of Palestine? Where are you getting this from? I can't find any such information...

Brief History of of Palestine, Israel and the Israeli Palestinian Conflict (Arab-Israeli conflict, Middle East Conflict)
Here's a good site. The original settlement was to split Palestine in half, but the Arab nations rejected that and invaded Israel. The Palestinians were caught in the middle and displaced. Arab nations refused to help them. Israel and the UN has made every effort to give the Palestinians a place to stay, but the constant terrorist activity has made that almost impossible.

Does anyone else find this confusing?

Thanks for the link. I'm not sure if you've answered my question though, do you think Palestinians should have their own state with East Jerusalem as their capital?

verymuch so

Oh, I was responding to a different question. Confuzing lolz. Yes, I do, but it's nearly impossible without full cooperation form both sides.