Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1954284)

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1954472)

^ Well that has the merit of consistancy at least! "Totes": :laughing:



^ Let's be aware that, afaik, there is not a single country or legal system that agrees with your definition. Although I have little sympathy with them, even those hallowed guardians and guides to morality, the organised religions, usually* distinguish between killing people in armed combat and killing people outside of armed combat.
* Yes, some religions, e.g. Buddhism, take a different position.

Also, for every immoral war of aggression, isn't there, of necessity, a corresponding war of defense in which the morality is more, er, defensable? While many men (perhaps yourself included) are honourable pacifists, there comes a point at which most people prefer to take up a gun to protect what is theirs.
( In Britain, during times of conscription, this point was neatly summed up like this: any conscripts displaying a reluctance to take up arms were asked this question- "If you saw an armed soldier raping your sister, what would you do?" Anyone who thought they would resort to violence was not thereafter considered a pacifist. )

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1954504)

You know

Reading that story I bet that guy could’ve stayed there eating watching cable using free internet AC private room shower

if he just did like 20 hours a week maintaining the place

take care of the yard, clean ****, paint something, fix some basic ****, kept up their cars

He could’ve been his own boss, sort of

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1954522)

MS-Pelosi-13 would beg to differ.

https://image.ibb.co/f6VA1T/Pelosi_13.jpg

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1954405)

OH didn't break any rules today. You're just making this debate personal and then taking it personally. Go smoke a bowl or whatever you do to relax. You're reaching the past the point of no return on the angry train.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1954411)

How can an insult be considered anything but personal???

Hypocrisy and bad modding.

Face it, you and OH are simply in bed together when it comes to ME. I'm a big boy and can take it. Just really surprised the rest of the mods here put up with the hypocrisy in regards to family members.

It was just last fall that I posted about dropping everything and flying back east because everyone there thought my dad was dying. So pardon me if I'm a bit personally pissed with OH's reference towards him.

But, Frowny, you just won't get it. Hey, how are your parents doing these days?

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1954413)

OH said all soldiers are war criminals.

You said your dad was a veteran.

Ipso facto OH thinks your dad is a war criminal. He just made it explicit. Don't use your family like a bomb in a debate and expect others to dive for cover.

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1954414)

^ Unfortunately, that's not what OH said though. He didn't qualify his comment by saying that it was just his thought and he threw in the gratuitous slur of murderer as well.
Look at how Frownland writes:-


^ This is clearly Frown's opinion, which he leaves open to debate.



^ This is slipped into a sentence so that it reads as if it were an established fact. In saying something so contentious I think it would behove OH to make clear it's just his opinion.

I don't agree with Frownland's idea that fighting soldiers are war criminals and I have no reason to imagine that Chula's dad is anything other than a regular guy who deserves respect for raising a family and making it thus far in life.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1954473)

When has the US ever gone to war because "it's the right thing to do"? It costs massive resources to fund a war, they ain't going unless they are getting something out of it. The people who serve in the military are the puppets who enable this.

You may view some of the things these soldiers aided in as helpful and good, but that doesnt negate the above, which I think is what Frown and other like minded people are arguing.

The US is analogous to the "friend" who helps you if you pay them, with the soldiers being the help? Idk, haven't put much thought into the analogy or where/if it falls apart, feel free to critique it.

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1954475)

Yes, true. I don't think you are from the US, but this is how it is taught:

https://www2.ivcc.edu/rambo/tip_form...ting_voice.htm


I can find more examples if you'd like.

Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1954480)

#QuotedForTruth

The only LEGIT war was the Revolutionary War to gain freedom from The Crown, and that was before we were even a "country." So you are correct.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1954532)

You are ****ing joking! He launched a personal attack against Chula's father, calling him a war criminal and a murderer. He ONLY did this BECAUSE it was Chula. This is the problem: there seems to be one rule for Chula and one for everyone else. This comment was clearly made in the knowledge that it would anger, upset and inflame Chula. And you, as a mod, who should be saying to Hawk hold on there, back off, you assist him! It's like being beat up by a guy, a cop comes along and you think oh thank god, and then the cop joins in the beating! You are a joke as a mod, you know that? You do what you like, to who you like, and nobody does anything about it.

And while I'm at it, the rest of you mods are just as much to blame if you don't step in and either stop this or confirm Hawk was in the wrong. It's in the rules, guys: no personal insults. How is that not a personal insult? How is Hawk not even being warned, never mind banned? Pathetic. This is why I was driven almost to leave here recently. It's a culture of ganging up and bullying that makes this place terribly hostile and totally unfair.

This x 1000

No, Hawk went directly for the juglar calling Chula's dad a war criminal and a murderer. That's an insult, and a personal one.

And this too.

When are you, Frownland, ever going to even consider treating anyone, esp Chula, fairly? It doesn't matter that you don't like him, that you mock him and think all his opinions are ****. Fairness should be meted out regardless of status. You can't choose who you help and who you don't, just cos you don't like them. It's bullying at its worst, and it makes you not only a terrible mod, but a coward who won't recognise that something needs to be said. I would expect that if Exo were here he might have stepped in. You, on the other hand, just think it's all a great laugh, but you're abusing your mod powers (or in fact, not using them) by letting such insults pass. This definitely should have been dealt with, but you'd rather just join in with the beating, wouldn't you?

Oh and by the way, make all the PMS jokes you want, post crying baby gifs, but this was a step beyond and it's nothing short of disgusting. Hawk not only stepped over the line, he leaped over it. And now he'll keep doing so, because quite clearly you're openly supporting such behaviour, and he knows nothing will happen to him. Well done.

Oh and Hawk? **** you: you're a disgusting human being. Just thought you should know.

Yes that's an insult. Ban me if you want. It will only prove how biased your modding is, as we all know it is anyway.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1954532)

No, Hawk went directly for the juglar calling Chula's dad a war criminal and a murderer. That's an insult, and a personal one.