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Frownland 05-29-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1955863)
Oh, so you were just being a smartass, haha. I did answer you, idk.

Not really, you detailed how Roseanne was an exception in the stereotype that she utilized.

DwnWthVwls 05-29-2018 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1955862)
Got it. Sounded like you were describing yourself since you're the only one rejecting that something is a stereotype here.

My guess is that you think I take it more seriously than I actually do. It's a ****ing sitcom star. Let em all rot.

I never rejected the stereotype. I was criticizing the tweet's racial context in a vacuum. I don't watch TV or participate in social media, how the hell am I supposed to know she's a long time racist? My entire point was the media can cherry pick racism from nearly any derogatory comments and takes full advantage of it, which I find massively insincere (and I know you do to).

Youre the one with the "I dont see it" and "Maybe its easier for racists to see"...

Janszoon 05-29-2018 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1955869)
I never rejected the stereotype. I was criticizing the tweet's racial context in a vacuum. I don't watch TV or participate in social media, how the hell am I supposed to know she's a long time racist? My entire point was the media can cherry pick racism from nearly any derogatory comments and takes full advantage of it, which I find massively insincere (and I know you do to).

Youre the one with the "I dont see it" and "Maybe its easier for racists to see"...

What is "context in a vacuum"?

DwnWthVwls 05-29-2018 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1955867)
Not really, you detailed how Roseanne was an exception in the stereotype that she utilized.

No, youre missing the nuance: someone actually looking like the thing they are being compared to versus someone being compared to something to dehumanize them.

One is a joke/insult that has a sense of reality behind it and the other is obviously and intentionally racist

Frownland 05-29-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1955869)
I never rejected the stereotype.

You just spent a whole page saying that Roseanne comparing the whoeverthe**** to a monkey wasn't based in a stereotype but on a real observation.

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I was criticizing the tweet's racial context in a vacuum. I don't watch TV or participate in social media, how the hell am I supposed to know she's a long time racist?
Google

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My entire point was the media can cherry pick racism from nearly any derogatory comments and takes full advantage of it, which I find massively insincere (and I know you do to).
Yep.

Here's a point: approaching situations with that kind of thinking will lead to you denying obviously racist things because of their association to the media.

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Youre the one with the "I dont see it"
Would you prefer me to lie?

DwnWthVwls 05-29-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1955870)
What is "context in a vacuum"?

That tweet. Those words.. nothing else, is it racist or just a lame joke?

You're ideology says: No black person can ever be compared to a monkey because it has a history of being a derogatory slur used against black people.

Mine says: If someone looks like something, regardless of the history, it's okay to call them out on it.

You're basically arguing that we can't call a grindy Hitler if he looks like Hitler, because history, and I'm calling bullshit.

Frownland 05-29-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1955871)
No, youre missing the nuance: someone actually looking like the thing they are being compared to versus someone being compared to something to dehumanize them.

Why can't it be both?

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One is a joke/insult that has a sense of reality behind it and the other is obviously and intentionally racist
"Intentional racism" lol.

Frownland 05-29-2018 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1955873)
Mine says: If someone looks like something, regardless of the history, it's okay to call them out on it.

People need to be called out for looking like monkeys?

The Batlord 05-29-2018 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1955872)
You just spent a whole page saying that Roseanne comparing the whoeverthe**** to a monkey wasn't based in a stereotype but on a real observation.

No he was saying that given everything and only everything provided in the thread it's reasonable that this joke might have been innocent because, A. this woman does kinda look like a Planet of the Apes ape, and B. this woman looks so not black that she has probably gotten white privileges.

Frownland 05-29-2018 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1955876)
No he was saying that given everything and only everything provided in the thread it's reasonable that this joke might have been innocent because, A. this woman does kinda look like a Planet of the Apes ape, and B. this woman looks so not black that she has probably gotten white privileges.

Pretty sure that B would upset Mr. V.

So DWV's argument boils down to "Oh come on! You knew what I meant!" because racism is only ever lynching people and calling them ******s.


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