1. Fair enough. But doesn't it matter who the corruption is going to hurt most?
2. My ideology has evolved pretty much every decade based on experience, changes in my life station, and seeing the fallout form the different administrations through the years. Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, GWHB, Clinton, GWH, Obama, and now Bozo.

3. Yes and no. **** does get done. It's just not the major revolution that a lot of folks wish for. It's always going to be really small baby steps as long as the foxes are guarding the hen-house - which is how the founding fathers framed it.

Trump is boasting that if he were convicted of collusion and other crimes that might lead to impeachment, he'll simply pardon himself.

These are the dudes to blame in the end.

http://smarthistory.org/wp-content/u...eclaration.jpg

To quote Neil Peart: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Why not make the choice matter, if in even the slightest incremental way?

Like I said, I don't get the mentality.

Amen.

Yep. Awarding corruption by acting in a reactionary way to other brands of corruption is not going to be a path I take though.

**** gets done unevenly and ineffectively because many of the platforms that politicians run on (like immigration or healthcare) are not issues that they actually want to solve because they drive people to the polls.

I really don't care about what he says until he does it tbh. He shouts crazy **** because he knows it'll take the spotlight off of his policy if people get wrapped up in silly hypotheticals.

Definitely, they made a short-sighted system that devolved into an oligarchy.

Supporting a politician would matter a lot to me because it would mean that I've abandoned my morals. I think I'll pass.

If it makes it easier to understand, I can soften my stance by saying that voting for politicians is only reprehensible when you're voting for one of the two US party monoliths. Also, it's actually just one monolith.

Fair enough. I actually do get your point of view. I guess, unfortunately, I'm a bit more vested into our **** system.

I think we just made MB history by having a civil disagreement.

Told ya this place is doing better.

I like this better. We're really close proximity-wise man. It's gonna happen. Beers and burgers.

This border thing is nice to rile up Trump hate but whoever else you vote for is going to do plenty that out nasties this. This has become a disportionate cause célèbre.

I agree it’s horrible but we’ve been destroying families for no good reason forever.

I’ve worked with dozens, maybe even hundreds of children, whose mothers and fathers were locked up for non-violent drug offenses and tickytack parole/probation violations. I’ve watched students google mugshots so they could share with their classmates pictures of their parents. And the border kids are eating square meals and playing soccer. I’m not saying it’s not wrong but alternative candidates (the Clintons) led the charge that decimated millions of mostly black families. And many of these kids are left malnourished.

Or you two should come up here.