Yeah I think he might have done better with his accidental death excuse if he hadn't dismembered the corpse. What a plonker.

So a little bit of Coen brothers in there too.

lol definitely Coen brothers. Good call.

The amount of knowledge you know about nazi bands is impressive. I'm not being facetious either.

Not really. In the realm of racist punk rock knowing that Skrewdriver set the whole thing off is like knowing that Slayer released Reign in Blood. It's just entry level ****.

And she really isn't the type to cash in on a popular sentiment as according to focus groups or anything like that so I get what you mean.

Let's remember she won the popular vote by a pretty wide margin. She beat Trump in votes by more than GWB did when he beat Kerry in 2004, Carter when he beat Gerald Ford in 1976, Nixon when he beat Humphrey in 1968, and Kennedy when he beat Nixon in 1960.

And the three states that turned the electoral college in Trump's favor are suffering from MAJOR buyer's remorse.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...ular-he-619943

Let's remember that she was up against Donald Trump and would have won by a wider margin if only she acted like a damn human being.

No, Benedict Cumberbatch. He was surprisingly great.

I don't see how it could be viewed as manslaughter. What did he do? Cut her up by accident? Woops! Anyway, more like the newest incomprehensible Danish subtitled drama noir, if you ask me, which you didn't.
Let's be realistic here.

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You mean more like The Donald????

The whole "crook" and "lock her up" rhetoric swayed too many people at the last minute, along with the leaked emails and people actually believing the snake oilsman's ****.

I don't think anybody should be more like you, Don.

She was a poorly programmed robot. If they had entered in some quasi-emotional sequences in there she would have won. Like if she said what that news story was about to Trump's face on the debate stage, she likely would have won the respect of many people who didn't vote for her. She showed that she cannot act in the moment due to her political mindset, which is fine in some ways but reflects very poorly on a presidential candidate. Even a bad reaction would be something, and that's better than just pretending that nothing is wrong.

That certainly didn't help, but it wasn't the reason she lost. Everyone saw her campaign (rightly, I think) as "business as usual" and assumed that basically they were voting Bill back in to the White House. What? Did you think he'd restrict himself to such decisions as what carpet should be in the Oval Office? She was arrogant, overconfident to the point of well, fatally underestimating the malleability of the voters, didn't campaign where she should, campaigned where she shouldn't have, and basically gave the impression (again, turned out to be the right one) that she thought she would just walk the election. It was a foregone conclusion, so why bother? Except of course that it wasn't.

If people thought they were voting Bill in, she probably would have won tbh.

Disagree. She was leading in all of the polls by a healthy margin right up until the final weeks. The combination of Trump promising he'd repeal Obamacare on Day 1 in office, that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, that he'd ban Muslims, and that he was going to drain the swamp and bring real change to Washington, coupled with his constant "crooked Hillary" and "lock her up", which conveniently was followed by all of the leaked DNC and Hillary emails - and then Mueller going against all proper protocol and announcing 10 days before the election that he was re-opening the inverstigation into her was a perfect storm to cause just enough people to change their minds at the last second.

Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania - 3 states that hadn't voted republican in almost 30 years - gave Trump the electoral win.

He won Wisconsin by 0.77% of the vote, Pennsylvania by 0.72%, and Michigan by only 0.23%.

Face it, a lot of angry older white folks who normally vote for the Democrat candidate really believed that Trump was going to be their Messiah and "Make America Great" again (still haven't figured out what that means).

Clinton would have wiped the floor with Rubio, Cruz, Kasich, etc. But Trump came along and promised the world and just enough people were gullible enough to believe him and his bravado.

Clinton didn't so much lose as much as Trump barely edged out a win by razor thin margins.

I'm laughing with you, I promise.

Numbers don't lie friendo.

I'll be honest: I didn't follow much of the election until election night, so I'll defer to your wisdom. However, the fact that the Trump camp said before voting began that night that if they won it would be a "miracle" seems to indicate that the Clinton faction believed they had it all wrapped up.

They do all the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics

turd reich

I love the bay area.

Fact: If Clinton had won those 3 states she'd be president.

Fact: Those three states hadn't voted Republican since the mid 80s.

Fact: Trump won those three states by an average of 1/2 a percentage point of voters.

Good article here:

Zakaria: Why Trump won - CNN

Fact: Many of the polls that suggested a sure win did not have sampling that accurately represented both the general population and the voting population.

Fact: Your candidate was literal garbage. Accept it. Let me just put it this way: she was close to Trump at all.

Kool Kids Klub Wants You

This just seems like a meme or something but apparently it's true.

Garbage? If she was garbage then how would you classify the other candidates? Your hatred of Clinton is clouding your judgment.

Let's see.

Trump: hot garbage with a touppee
Hillary: hot garbage in a pantsuit
Cruz: hot garbage with a weird smirk
Rubio: hot garbage in a dudesuit (an equivalent to HRC in terms of roboticism)
Bernie: modern art constructed out of garbage
Stein: not garbage but nice compost for your commune
Johnson: garbage with a legible comic strip
Vermin Supreme: someone I can trust

Your love of the establishment is clouding your judgement my friend. Nah jk, I know your judgement was already cloudy. Remember how I've been ****ting on her since before the primaries?

I have no idea how people can know that the establishment is "hot garbage", know that at least 99% of politicians are "hot garbage", and then turn around come election time to carry water for one dumpster fire just so they don't feel completely disenfranchised.

Get a clue, dudes, whoever you vote for almost certainly does not have anyone's best interest at heart but their own and should be spat upon on principle.

i enjoyed all 4 of these, good zings.

For the billionth time. Whether we like it or agree with it, every 4 years someone is going to become president of the USA. The most powerful position on the planet.

And since the foxes (politicians) are guarding the henhouse (Capitol Hill) there's really nothing we can do about it except vote for the least full dumpster available at the time.

I will never be able to vote for a politician that runs on a platform that makes the NRA, the Pro-Life Bible thumping folks, and the big banks and wall street people really, really happy. Sames goes for those who deny global warming and who want to relax EPA and OSHA regulations so that billionare businessmen can reep even more profits.

That pretty much eliminates 95% of Republicans including everyone who was on the GOP ticket this go around.

So that left Bernie and Hillary. Bernie being elected would have been like tossing a badger into the henhouse. He most likely would have run into the same obstruction as Trump has so far. He ran a campaign that tugged at a lot of people's ideals of how they'd like things to be - but just ask Trump about the reality of what happens once you actually hold the position.

That left Clinton. She's pro-choice, is for reasonable gun control, in favor of Wall Street regulations, believes in Global warming, and supports protecting the environement. She's got a ton of experience navigating the henhouse, has the respect of a lot of world leaders from her 4 years as secretary of state, and even if they won't say in front of a camera, has the respect of a lot of foxes.

Least full dumpster from where I sit.

Nice Trump thread we're having.

How the **** would that gridlock be a different scenario for Hillary?

Bernie is the most popular politician in the US. He would have mopped the floor with Trump. The whole "but he old" and "Hillary is the only one who could possibly win" rhetoric swayed too many people at the last minute, along with the general idiocy of the general public and people actually believing the snake oilsman's ****.

Except, regardless of what you claim, you still were hard on her clit for months. Anytime anyone said anything against her whatsoever you would descend upon them like a Trump supporter. As far as I'm concerned the only options are either to say **** it and observe the whole nightmare with detached amusement or pick up a gun. Or I guess have kids and subvert your brain for the sake of feeling like you're voting in their best interest.

Not on Capitol Hill. You really think Senators and House members were going to pass any of his bills that were going to hit them in the pocket? Take off the rose colored glasses.

Anytime someone spouted BS claims they got from Fox or Trump. Again, "Lock her up", "crooked Hillary", "she's an enabler", "emails!!!!!!!", "BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!".

28 years on the political stage and never had a single charge filed against her - even though the GOP has spent millions and millions trying to find anything to pin on her.

http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/fil...?itok=zpPe4lQk

You're basically strawmanning the entire forum cause nobody here spouts talk radio jargon. We just never liked her because she's an establishment tool as much as any mainstream democrat. And yet anytime any of us even hinted at not liking her, there you'd be, carrying water and degrading yourself.

I never said this.

The notness of the rhetoric in this election was just ****ing obnoxious. Any valid point about either candidate would be countered with a bunch of herpaflerping not on that valid point, but on how ****ty the other person was.

If everyone had just regarded every candidate with their proper level of distaste then nobody would have become excited about anything and just trolled the entire election by voting for Vermin Supreme. And then reality would be as psychedelic as it should be.

BS. There was a lot of it here during the run up to election night.

No here spouts talking points and I'm sucking on HC's clit. OK BAT, if you say so.

In 2016 the Dems gained two senate seats And Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. If things keep going the way they are right now the Dems will gain control of the senate in 2018. If Trump's numbers stay where they are right now there's not a GOP congressman up for re-election who will want to be associated with him in any way next year.

Not exactly getting its ass handed to them. The Dems just need to identify a solid candidate to start hitting the road in advance of 2020.

The GOP is the party that's self destructing right now. You have a president and House Majority Leader who haven't spoken to each since having a profanity laced shouting match on the phone over 2 weeks ago. Trump has taken to referring to his own part as "they" instead of "we". And every day another GOP congress member comes and disses him by name.

The guy simply has no clue about the decorum and dignity required of the office - he has a rally in Arizona and goes off-script to bash, in a thinnly veiled way, their senator of 30 years who's at home battling brain cancer.

And we still have the Mueller investigation results to look forward to.

Don't see Trump changing stripes anytime soon so I doubt he gets up over 35% approval ratings.

Like I said, the Dems have some time to identify their next candidate and refine their message. They'll be just fine.

Not blaming for the loss. Just saying it cost her some last minute fence sitters.

So were JWB and Roxy even posting at that time? Pretty sure they weren't. Anteater is just kind of the one guy who does that schtick now.

3 million is a very large number but it is very unimpressive in context. Losing to ****ing Trump is equivocal to getting your ads handed to you because it's Donald ****ing Trump.