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Lilja 10-22-2016 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1761003)
Drones are a bit more dangerous than flags, I figure

A drone can be used for news casting, policework, taking photos, protecting wildlife. Thousands of people will be out of work come monday

Vs

A unification symbol for a.group that orders hate crimes

Which is.more dangerous?

Lilja 10-22-2016 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1761023)

They just started checking "kids" here who are actually 30 year olds. You should google Sweden fastest 14 year old.

Cuthbert 10-22-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761052)
They just started checking "kids" here who are actually 30 year olds. You should google Sweden fastest 14 year old.

Link, mate?

Lilja 10-22-2016 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1761057)
Link, mate?

https://www.thelocal.se/20160909/swe...sessment-model

innerspaceboy 10-23-2016 12:16 AM

From my own city - Trump supporter forced to take down noose and gallows from his front lawn

http://i.imgur.com/vlJv6yRl.jpg

And here is one of the several confederate flags previously adorning his home.

http://i.imgur.com/sp2UX1Dl.jpg

But he assures you - he is not a racist, stating, "[he] came to realize during a Bible class on Sunday afternoon the noose's historical association with the lynching of African-Americans."

OccultHawk 10-23-2016 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761051)
A drone can be used for news casting, policework, taking photos, protecting wildlife. Thousands of people will be out of work come monday

Vs

A unification symbol for a.group that orders hate crimes

Which is.more dangerous?

The drone.

Outlawing a flag and thus banning free political speech is far worse than allowing any flag.

The Batlord 10-23-2016 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1761216)
The drone.

Outlawing a flag and thus banning free political speech is far worse than allowing any flag.

He's from Scandinavia. They live by the sword. The pussy sword.

Lilja 10-23-2016 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1761216)
The drone.

Outlawing a flag and thus banning free political speech is far worse than allowing any flag.

Incitement to racial hatred is an offence in Sweden. Your US Constitution laws don't protect you outside the US (that is, if you are referring to them). Try flying a swastica in Germany and see how far you get (although it is perfectly legal to fly them in the US).

The reason the flag was allowed to fly is the lawyer claimed flying the flag "is not an expression of disrespect towards any ethnic group," she said, because Isis is "against everyone except those who belong to Isis".


Anyways, what is wrong with drones in reference to Sweden? No documented cases of harassment here as far as I know.

The Batlord 10-23-2016 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761224)
Incitement to racial hatred is an offence in Sweden. Your US Constitution laws don't protect you outside the US (that is, if you are referring to them). Try flying a swastica in Germany and see how far you get (although it is perfectly legal to fly them in the US).

The reason the flag was allowed to fly is the lawyer claimed flying the flag "is not an expression of disrespect towards any ethnic group," she said, because Isis is "against everyone except those who belong to Isis".


Anyways, what is wrong with drones in reference to Sweden? No documented cases of harassment here as far as I know.

No, yeah, we get that freedom of speech isn't the same outside of America, we just think that's bull****. And if it's because Europeans are actually still susceptible to Nazism then you have bigger problems than flags.

Lilja 10-23-2016 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1761225)
No, yeah, we get that freedom of speech isn't the same outside of America, we just think that's bull****. And if it's because Europeans are actually still susceptible to Nazism then you have bigger problems than flags.


I don't think most of the US actually thinks that the the US Constitution doesn't apply outside the US actually. Many even think it applies to the Internet.

And why are you grouping all of Europe together on this? I mentioned one country. I don't group in Mexico when I am mentioning Canada.


Anyways, back to drones. Why try to shut down an industry? You realize that these kind of regulations can start encouraging others to do the same in their countries.

OccultHawk 10-23-2016 01:33 AM

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Your US Constitution laws don't protect you outside the US
I'll let Bat's answer suffice because it's hard not to be sarcastic.

My concern in the US Constitution doesn't even protect me here where it's supposed to.

djchameleon 10-23-2016 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1759960)
Sounds like some crazy goings on in the Philippines.

3400+ extrajudicial killings, 15000 arrests, 700000 surrendered.

Yeah, what's going down in the Philippines is out of control. They are most likely going to become a serious problem.

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761001)
They just banned drones in Sweden today..https://m.reddit.com/r/technology/co...ely_banned_in/

I now live in a country where it is illegal to fly a drone but legal to fly an ISIS flag.

No, amazon drone deliveries for you. Or Pizza drone deliveries.



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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761227)
Anyways, back to drones. Why try to shut down an industry? You realize that these kind of regulations can start encouraging others to do the same in their countries.

It's like he hears drones and all he thinks about are the ones that the government uses to take out targets in other countries instead of the growing industry that is on the cusp of happening. The only thing stopping it in the US is the FAA.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1761225)
No, yeah, we get that freedom of speech isn't the same outside of America, we just think that's bull****. And if it's because Europeans are actually still susceptible to Nazism then you have bigger problems than flags.

What's your issue with drones outside of the military ones?

The Batlord 10-23-2016 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761227)
I don't think most of the US actually thinks that the the US Constitution doesn't apply outside the US actually. Many even think it applies to the Internet.

I don't answer for morons, nor am I aware of anybody who thinks that the US Constitution applies to countries other than the US. And if you think otherwise then you probably have a pretty goofy idea of Americans.

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And why are you grouping all of Europe together on this? I mentioned one country. I don't group in Mexico when I am mentioning Canada.
Well just taking laws against Holocaust denial and the Nazi party, which is a pretty damn big insult to the American ideal of freedom of speech, European seems to be pretty intolerant of those ideas in a legal sense. If so many European countries need laws against the Nazi party and Holocaust denial then how big an issue would it be if Germany and Hungary were to legalize that ****? Cause they're not a problem over here.

For all that Americans seem to be seen as racists overseas, that kind of **** makes Europeans look way worse than us to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_a...locaust_denial

OccultHawk 10-23-2016 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761227)
I don't think most of the US actually thinks that the the US Constitution doesn't apply outside the US actually. Many even think it applies to the Internet.

And why are you grouping all of Europe together on this? I mentioned one country. I don't group in Mexico when I am mentioning Canada.


Anyways, back to drones. Why try to shut down an industry? You realize that these kind of regulations can start encouraging others to do the same in their countries.

Most of the US probably doesn't even realize the constitution is an actual document.

The EU has an organized governing body. You can't lump Mexico with Canada but you can lump Oregon with Alabama (unfortunately for Oregonians)

I'm not anti-drone. I just think they're more dangerous than flags. Flags don't scare me at all. I'm not worried about the flag; I'm worried about the people who would fly it- whether they are allowed to or not.

Lilja 10-23-2016 01:47 AM

Actually it is interesting when it comes to referring to the US freedom of speech. In all other countries, it is simply common knowledge that freedom of speech does not permit hatred or other human rights abuses. In the US there are no laws against inciting hatred..yet protecting minorities is considered a cornerstone of democracy. Just a thought.


And of course there are countries in Europe where Nazi ideals or propaganda are getting stronger. Read the news.

The Batlord 10-23-2016 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761233)
Actually it is interesting when it comes to referring to the US freedom in speech. In all other countries, it is simply common knowledge that freedom of speech does not permit hatred or other human rights abuses. In the US there are no laws against inciting hatred..yet protecting minorities is considered a cornerstone of democracy. Just a thought.

Hatred is an abuse? You can't go around getting in some black dude's face calling him a nigger and telling him to get his disgusting coon family back to Africa, cause that would be harassment. So we don't need laws against thoughtcrime, cause we already have laws to protect people from racist ACTIONS.

Why do so many European nations need them?

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And of course there are countries in Europe where Nazi ideals are getting stronger. Read the news.
So thank God I'm farther from those countries than you are.

OccultHawk 10-23-2016 01:55 AM

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In all other countries
Even North Korea? Chad? Venezuela?

ALL other countries?

The Batlord 10-23-2016 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1761238)
Even North Korea? Chad? Venezuela?

ALL other countries?

He means European countries. He's European. That's basically true for him.

OccultHawk 10-23-2016 02:09 AM

So Europeans are kind of like Texans: unaware that the rest of the world exists?

Funny that "all" countries comment came from someone who assumed I thought the constitution was a world charter

The Batlord 10-23-2016 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1761242)
So Europeans are kind of like Texans: unaware that the rest of the world exists?

Funny that "all" countries comment came from someone who assumed I thought the constitution was a world charter

At least we got our info straight from the mouth of an actual European. And if ya'll want Texas and Florida, then feel free to take them. We'll give them to you with a free tray or cornbread and even throw in a plate of grits. MmMmm.

Goofle 10-23-2016 05:47 AM



This isn't Onion.

Lisnaholic 10-23-2016 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1761225)
No, yeah, we get that freedom of speech isn't the same outside of America, we just think that's bull****. And if it's because Europeans are actually still susceptible to Nazism then you have bigger problems than flags.

^ I hope this isn't the main reason for banning Nazi symbolism. I prefer to think that it's because of a historical sensitivity. It's a bit like never using the name "Katrina" for a hurricane again. Hurricane names are recycled every six years, so the names used in 2016 will be re-used in 2022, but "Katrina" has in effect been banned because it has too many painful memories for too many people. Same goes for Nazi symbolism in Europe and, I suspect, the same goes for the noose and gallows symbolism in the USA, of which Innerspaceboy has conveniently just provided an example:-

Spoiler for US gallows banned:
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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1761213)
From my own city - Trump supporter forced to take down noose and gallows from his front lawn

http://i.imgur.com/vlJv6yRl.jpg

And here is one of the several confederate flags previously adorning his home.

http://i.imgur.com/sp2UX1Dl.jpg

But he assures you - he is not a racist, stating, "[he] came to realize during a Bible class on Sunday afternoon the noose's historical association with the lynching of African-Americans."



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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1761229)
No, amazon drone deliveries for you. Or Pizza drone deliveries.
What's your issue with drones outside of the military ones?

^ Yeah, amazon drone deliveries are like science fiction coming to life. AFAIK, the problem with drones is that legislation is racing to catch up with technology. Drones can invade privacy, distract drivers, and in the UK they have already been used to fly over prison walls, delivering drugs and mobile phones direct to inmates' cell windows. In the USA that might also be guns - so, yes, plenty of drone-related problems around. Furthurmore, there is no established etiquette for pizza delivery drones; how much are we supposed to tip them?

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1761243)
At least we got our info straight from the mouth of an actual European. And if ya'll want Texas and Florida, then feel free to take them. We'll give them to you with a free tray or cornbread and even throw in a plate of grits. MmMmm.

^ I'm down for this if it means finally discovering what "grits" are!

djchameleon 10-23-2016 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1761258)
^ Yeah, amazon drone deliveries are like science fiction coming to life. AFAIK, the problem with drones is that legislation is racing to catch up with technology. Drones can invade privacy, distract drivers, and in the UK they have already been used to fly over prison walls, delivering drugs and mobile phones direct to inmates' cell windows. In the USA that might also be guns - so, yes, plenty of drone-related problems around. Furthurmore, there is no established etiquette for pizza delivery drones; how much are we supposed to tip them?



You tip the same way that you do when you order pizza online. Do it with a CC and tip it that way.

When I order from Papa John's online, I tip online also.

innerspaceboy 10-23-2016 12:46 PM

AT&T is considering the purchase of Time Warner, and with it, HBO

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...which includes Turner, and Warner Bros, including Cinemax, TBS, TNT, CNN, HLN, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and truTv as well as PGA.com, NBA.com, NCAA.com, DCComics.com, DCNation.com, and TMZ.com, as well as a 10 percent stake in Hulu.

Like Comcast's acquisition of NBCUniversal, this would give a large stable of programming to one of the nation's biggest Internet and TV service providers.

AT&T would have incentive to raise the prices its rivals (such as Comcast, Charter, and Verizon) pay to distribute Time Warner programming on their cable TV systems, which could indirectly raise consumers' TV bills.

AT&T could also harm online video services such as Netflix by raising prices or refusing to license content to online services that compete against traditional TV providers.

AT&T purchased satellite company DirecTV last year, making it the largest pay-TV company in the US ahead of Comcast.
This is frightening.

djchameleon 10-23-2016 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1761335)

They already reached a deal. It's done.

Stephen 10-24-2016 01:11 AM

You can't un-read it

Former Socceroo died in South Australian hospital after catheter connected to oxygen

Lisnaholic 10-24-2016 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1761408)

Thanks for the warning! I've decided to NOT click on that story!!

Lilja 10-24-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1761240)
He means European countries. He's European. That's basically true for him.

No. I don't.

The Batlord 10-24-2016 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761450)
No. I don't.

Yeah you did.

Lilja 10-24-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1761230)
I don't answer for morons, nor am I aware of anybody who thinks that the US Constitution applies to countries other than the US. And if you think otherwise then you probably have a pretty goofy idea of Americans.



Well just taking laws against Holocaust denial and the Nazi party, which is a pretty damn big insult to the American ideal of freedom of speech, European seems to be pretty intolerant of those ideas in a legal sense. If so many European countries need laws against the Nazi party and Holocaust denial then how big an issue would it be if Germany and Hungary were to legalize that ****? Cause they're not a problem over here.

For all that Americans seem to be seen as racists overseas, that kind of **** makes Europeans look way worse than us to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_a...locaust_denial

I think it is mainly so it is not forgotten. In the US though, I can spout as much as I want that the Holocaust did not happen or that Nazi's were kind and it is fine as that is protected by freedom of speech.

What I was trying to state is that Anti-hate laws are in place to protect minority groups so that people just don't go around spouting lots of crap and expect that it is okay to insult one's race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Why should hurting others be thought of acceptable and a right? It shouldn't.

Countries with anti-hate laws include Austria, Belgium, Turkey, Bosnia, France, Germany, Sweden, Greece, Israel, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Russia, Brazil, Bolivia, Columbia and on and on.

And no, not all countries are located in Europe. Why should they be? Hate is everywhere. Anti-semitism is all over the world, even the US.

Lilja 10-24-2016 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1761258)

^ Yeah, amazon drone deliveries are like science fiction coming to life. AFAIK, the problem with drones is that legislation is racing to catch up with technology. Drones can invade privacy, distract drivers, and in the UK they have already been used to fly over prison walls, delivering drugs and mobile phones direct to inmates' cell windows. I


!

Actually, the reason drones were banned here is because of the cameras. They are classified as monitoring cameras. Although if it is mounted on a car dashboard or a bicycle, it is ok.

Drones do a lot of good as well. You can use them for deliveries (here the local hospital was using them to deliver heart starters), get equipment to building sites, fighting illegal hunting, checking out burned out houses, checking out areas with high crime rates, etc.

Janszoon 10-25-2016 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761609)
I think it is mainly so it is not forgotten. In the US though, I can spout as much as I want that the Holocaust did not happen or that Nazi's were kind and it is fine as that is protected by freedom of speech.

What I was trying to state is that Anti-hate laws are in place to protect minority groups so that people just don't go around spouting lots of crap and expect that it is okay to insult one's race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Why should hurting others be thought of acceptable and a right? It shouldn't.

I think the issue is where you draw the line. In the US we have a large population of Christian theocrats who take the the slightest criticism, or even lack of deference, as an assault on their religion. If we had the laws you're talking about, that group of people would use them as a tool to silence dissent, and that's a huge problem, not just for free speech but for freedom in general.

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1761609)
Countries with anti-hate laws include Austria, Belgium, Turkey, Bosnia, France, Germany, Sweden, Greece, Israel, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Russia, Brazil, Bolivia, Columbia and on and on.

Some of those countries are good examples of exactly the problem with those kinds of laws. I mean, do you really think the imprisonment of Pussy Riot was a just response to "hate speech" or that Turkish journalists who "insult religion" should be tossed in jail?

Goofle 10-25-2016 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1761644)
If we had the laws you're talking about, that group of people would use them as a tool to silence dissent, and that's a huge problem, not just for free speech but for freedom in general.

I'd agree with that without singling out Christian theocrats. I've never actually seen a Christian argue against free speech (I don't doubt that some probably have), but there are many other groups that also want to curtail freedom of speech.

The limit should be inciting violence. If somebody wants to deny the holocaust, claim their prophet split the moon, deny evolution or say any other unbelievably silly thing, that's their business. Just don't call for violence.

Janszoon 10-25-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1761645)
I'd agree with that without singling out Christian theocrats. I've never actually seen a Christian argue against free speech (I don't doubt that some probably have), but there are many other groups that also want to curtail freedom of speech.

Of course there are. I was talking specifically about the situation in the country I live in.

Frownland 10-25-2016 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1761645)
I'd agree with that without singling out Christian theocrats. I've never actually seen a Christian argue against free speech (I don't doubt that some probably have), but there are many other groups that also want to curtail freedom of speech.

The limit should be inciting violence. If somebody wants to deny the holocaust, claim their prophet split the moon, deny evolution or say any other unbelievably silly thing, that's their business. Just don't call for violence.

See: Kaepernick outrage for Christians wanting to make speech less free.

I agree with the last part to an extent. Time and place is important for when people express these opinions. Someone denying evolution while having a beer with friends is whatever, but denying it while you're teaching a science class is one million percent unacceptable.

Goofle 10-25-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1761649)
Of course there are. I was talking specifically about the situation in the country I live in.

I was also talking about your country, since pretty much everywhere else is already doomed in regards to freedom of speech.

@ Frown - Good example, though I am not sure that was mainly Christian theocrats. Seemed to be a more patriotic outrage than anything else.

Janszoon 10-25-2016 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1761655)
I was also talking about your country, since pretty much everywhere else is already doomed in regards to freedom of speech.

@ Frown - Good example, though I am not sure that was mainly Christian theocrats. Seemed to be a more patriotic outrage than anything else.

In the Venn diagram of American nationalists and American theocrats, the circles are practically on top of each other.

Frownland 10-25-2016 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1761657)
In the Venn diagram of American nationalists and American theocrats, the circles are practically on top of each other.

^

The Batlord 10-25-2016 11:50 AM

NOT A JOKE: Couple Encounters Black Metal Band In The Woods During Engagement Photo Shoot - Metal Injection

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 10-25-2016 01:06 PM

I saw that awhile ago. Awesome :D


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