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djchameleon 08-25-2017 06:53 PM
Another one bites the dust.

Gorka resigns from White House | TheHill


He still hasn't completely filled his cabinet after all this time.

Chula Vista 08-25-2017 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1867521)
Since the mandate in 08 Democrats have slowly lost the house, the Senate, and a majority of govenorships on the state level and finally the presidency to ****ing Donald Duck
They lost the 2010 mid-terms mainly because of the tea party and the passage of Obamacare, which the GOP made into some sort evil on par with Satan himself. Remember Palin screaming "death panels" all over the country.

And the tea party has now been absorbed by the alt right. For a large portion of a country that's ridiculously partisan right now, they simply will not vote for a democrat because they will take away their guns, strongly fight to keep the separation of church and state (heathens), advocate murdering babies in their own backyards, and take away your job and give it to a Mexican.

There's really no more nuance in regard to real policy, it's all about boiler plate issues for many, many people in this country.

Frownland 08-25-2017 07:43 PM
Lolol if you think that the alt right stole a significant number of people from the tea party, you understand neither.

djchameleon 08-25-2017 08:21 PM
I read this yesterday. A record of all the things Trump has undone since in office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mp-has-undone/

Chula Vista 08-25-2017 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867541)
Lolol if you think that the alt right stole a significant number of people from the tea party, you understand neither.
The number of tea party chapters has shrunk from over 1,000 to under 600 nationwide because they simply started running out of gas. And stop talking down to me. I know plenty about both organizations. Racism was always a bit motivator with a large percentage of the TP. Remember?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ima...octor-muck.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LurBip9Ti7...+Tea+Party.jpg

The alt-right is big on white nationalism (a fancy word for racism). Of course as the Tea Party fizzled a lot of members gravitated over to the much more popular and powerful alt-right movement.

What's so hard to understand?

Lisnaholic 08-25-2017 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867459)
For the billionth time. Whether we like it or agree with it, every 4 years someone is going to become president of the USA. The most powerful position on the planet.

And since the foxes (politicians) are guarding the henhouse (Capitol Hill) there's really nothing we can do about it except vote for the least full dumpster available at the time.

I will never be able to vote for a politician that runs on a platform that makes the NRA, the Pro-Life Bible thumping folks, and the big banks and wall street people really, really happy. Sames goes for those who deny global warming and who want to relax EPA and OSHA regulations so that billionare businessmen can reep even more profits.

That pretty much eliminates 95% of Republicans including everyone who was on the GOP ticket this go around.

So that left Bernie and Hillary. Bernie being elected would have been like tossing a badger into the henhouse. He most likely would have run into the same obstruction as Trump has so far. He ran a campaign that tugged at a lot of people's ideals of how they'd like things to be - but just ask Trump about the reality of what happens once you actually hold the position.

That left Clinton. She's pro-choice, is for reasonable gun control, in favor of Wall Street regulations, believes in Global warming, and supports protecting the environement. She's got a ton of experience navigating the henhouse, has the respect of a lot of world leaders from her 4 years as secretary of state, and even if they won't say in front of a camera, has the respect of a lot of foxes.

Least full dumpster from where I sit.
^ Excellent summary of the 2016 election choices.

Even if you have no love for HC, it was clear at the time that she wouldn't have let loose on America the kind of ****storm that Trump was promising. Voting for a lesser evil may leave you with an unsatisfactory feeling of compromise, but it can still effectively block a greater evil and oftentimes in politics that alone is a significant achievement. Unfortunately in 2016 not enough voters saw it that way.

djchameleon 08-25-2017 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1867552)
^ Excellent summary of the 2016 election choices.

Even if you have no love for HC, it was clear at the time that she wouldn't have let loose on America the kind of ****storm that Trump was promising. Voting for a lesser evil may leave you with an unsatisfactory feeling of compromise, but it can still effectively block a greater evil and oftentimes in politics that alone is a significant achievement. Unfortunately in 2016 not enough voters saw it that way.
It was split between people thinking she had it in the bag and not coming out to vote, people that didn't like her and was still on Bernie's dick and these apathetic holier than thou people that makes up the rest. Bat, Frown and a few others fit into that last one.

Lisnaholic 08-25-2017 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1867553)
It was split between people thinking she had it in the bag and not coming out to vote, people that didn't like her and was still on Bernie's dick and these apathetic holier than thou people that makes up the rest. Bat, Frown and a few others fit into that last one.
Yes, I think a lot of Democratic voters were too complaisant, and in the run up to the election, as far as I remember, several MB posters seemed to take the attitude that all politicians suck, so why bother.

Actually, there are plenty of reasons to bother, the main one being pointed out by the guy who said, "The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing."

And getting back to the news of the day, I see that Trump has pardoned Joe Arpeio. This is a very sinister development because of the message the President is sending; "You can abuse the power of your office and break the law, but if you're on my side I'll give you impunity." I'm sure that point will not be lost on plenty of other bullying racist officials.

Impunity like that for over-zealous officials is one of the reasons that Mexico is unable to shake off the corruption that runs through its politics, and Trump has just taken the US one step closer to a repressive sham third-world democracy. I hope the US doesn't go any furthur down that road, because once blatant top-down corruption is in the system, rather like pee in a swimming pool, it's difficult to take it out again.

Perhaps some non-voters will learn a lesson in time for the next election; that even if all politicians are corrupt, some will damage your society, government and the environment much more than others - and by voting you can block the most toxic candidates.

OccultHawk 08-25-2017 11:04 PM
You have to look hard to find a more disgusting capitalist than Hillary but America managed to do it. The fact that I hate Trump much more doesn't change the fact that I still would love kick Hillary's cackling teeth in.

Btw, keep up the good work, Burma

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An attack by ethnic Rohingya militants in western Myanmar left 12 security personnel and 77 Rohingya Muslims dead in a dramatic escalation of communal violence that has plagued the region, as the United States urged authorities to avoid a response that would inflame the tensions.

Chula Vista 08-25-2017 11:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867462)
How the **** would that gridlock be a different scenario for Hillary?
Glossed over this the first time but it needs to be addressed. This a great example of how jaded and naive you are when it comes to politics and how the system works in the real world.

Clinton has been part of the political machine in one way or another for 28 years (don't bother with your typically jaded "and that's the problem" cliched comeback).

8 years as first lady to a Governor.
8 years as first lady to a President and the first to have an office in the west wing. She was totally hands on the whole time.
What do you think Bill and Hillary's pillow talk was all about those 16 years?

Then 8 years as a US senator working alongside many of the members who are still serving - on both sides of the aisle.

Then 4 years as Secretary of State - traveling the world on behalf of Obama trying to right GWBs wrongs and rubbing elbows with the globe's top people of power.

28 years experience of knowing how things work. How things get gridlocked, and what compromises need to be made, and whose backs need to be scratched in order to get the big picture policy changes through.

At his very core Bernie is a good guy. His ideolgies align with mine in almost every way. But in order to get some spotlight time he had to go out on a limb and toss out some ideas that fired up his base, but wouldn't have stood a chance of getting through the House and Senate.

Fox Henhouse. It's really that simple.

So assuming that Clinton would have run into the same gridlock that Sanders would have, and Trump currently is, is completely naive.

Clinton Hate 101 Mr. Frown.

Neapolitan 08-25-2017 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867541)
Lolol if you think that the alt right stole a significant number of people from the tea party, you understand neither.
This a great example of how jaded and naive you are.

Chula Vista 08-25-2017 11:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1867567)
This a great example of how jaded and naive you are.
Awesome contribution Neo. 5 stars. :clap:

Goofle 08-25-2017 11:53 PM
The Democratic Party is an absolute shambles from top to bottom.

Lucem Ferre 08-25-2017 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1867570)
The Democratic Party is an absolute shambles from top to bottom.
It's all in shambles, don't deny it.

Zhanteimi 08-26-2017 01:27 AM
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OccultHawk 08-26-2017 07:59 AM
Trump got you thinking the Dems are your friend. They not.

Frownland 08-26-2017 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867565)
Glossed over this the first time but it needs to be addressed. This a great example of how jaded and naive you are when it comes to politics and how the system works in the real world.

Clinton has been part of the political machine in one way or another for 28 years (don't bother with your typically jaded "and that's the problem" cliched comeback).

8 years as first lady to a Governor.
8 years as first lady to a President and the first to have an office in the west wing. She was totally hands on the whole time.
What do you think Bill and Hillary's pillow talk was all about those 16 years?

Then 8 years as a US senator working alongside many of the members who are still serving - on both sides of the aisle.

Then 4 years as Secretary of State - traveling the world on behalf of Obama trying to right GWBs wrongs and rubbing elbows with the globe's top people of power.

28 years experience of knowing how things work. How things get gridlocked, and what compromises need to be made, and whose backs need to be scratched in order to get the big picture policy changes through.

At his very core Bernie is a good guy. His ideolgies align with mine in almost every way. But in order to get some spotlight time he had to go out on a limb and toss out some ideas that fired up his base, but wouldn't have stood a chance of getting through the House and Senate.

Fox Henhouse. It's really that simple.

So assuming that Clinton would have run into the same gridlock that Sanders would have, and Trump currently is, is completely naive.

Clinton Hate 101 Mr. Frown.
Yes yes everyone would have loved Hillary and it would be all roses for her if she won you have truly opened my eyes by repeating the same point (that she is part of the establishment) for the 300th time. I really get it now. You sir, are a smart man.

Frownland 08-26-2017 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867550)
The number of tea party chapters has shrunk from over 1,000 to under 600 nationwide because they simply started running out of gas. And stop talking down to me. I know plenty about both organizations. Racism was always a bit motivator with a large percentage of the TP. Remember?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ima...octor-muck.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LurBip9Ti7...+Tea+Party.jpg

The alt-right is big on white nationalism (a fancy word for racism). Of course as the Tea Party fizzled a lot of members gravitated over to the much more popular and powerful alt-right movement.

What's so hard to understand?
Two entirely different movements with similar motivations.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 09:43 AM
I didn't say everyone would love Hillary. I said she was the least full dumpster and was the most experienced at how Washinton works. When Obama nominated Clinton for Secretary of State she was confirmed by the senate with a 95-2 vote.

You mentioned earlier that Democrats always get more votes in elections because of California and New York. Well if that's the case, how come it's only happened 4 times where a president lost the popular vote? And only 2 times since 1889.

Bush-Gore: Gore won the PV by 544K votes
Trump-Clinton: Clinton won the PV by 2,868K votes (over a 5X larger margin)

Re: Obama

In his first 100 days in office he got an economic stimulus package, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and the Affordable Care Act all passed by Congress - even after the GOP held a secret meeting (the day that Obama took office) where McConnell stated their only goal was to make sure Obama would be a one term president.

Frownland 08-26-2017 10:12 AM
And Bernie is just a ten year old ****ing around in a sandbox I get you.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867616)
And Bernie is just a ten year old ****ing around in a sandbox I get you.
Now you're just acting like a child.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2ef97e5dc6.jpg


I've explained numerous times why I thought Bernie was going to have a lot of problems if he'd gotten in.

Frownland 08-26-2017 10:27 AM
???

Don't come at me like that, I'm agreeing with you. Here hAve a cookie.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867619)
I'm agreeing with you.
?

Frownland 08-26-2017 11:16 AM
Like I said, you opened my eyes bro. I really understand now.

OccultHawk 08-26-2017 11:17 AM
'We're coming for you': NRA releases video rant at New York Times | Daily Mail Online

OccultHawk 08-26-2017 11:47 AM
The Tea Party is to the Alt-Right what the Stooges are to Black Flag.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867565)
Glossed over this the first time but it needs to be addressed. This a great example of how jaded and naive you are when it comes to politics and how the system works in the real world.

Clinton has been part of the political machine in one way or another for 28 years (don't bother with your typically jaded "and that's the problem" cliched comeback).

8 years as first lady to a Governor.
8 years as first lady to a President and the first to have an office in the west wing. She was totally hands on the whole time.
What do you think Bill and Hillary's pillow talk was all about those 16 years?

Then 8 years as a US senator working alongside many of the members who are still serving - on both sides of the aisle.

Then 4 years as Secretary of State - traveling the world on behalf of Obama trying to right GWBs wrongs and rubbing elbows with the globe's top people of power.

28 years experience of knowing how things work. How things get gridlocked, and what compromises need to be made, and whose backs need to be scratched in order to get the big picture policy changes through.

At his very core Bernie is a good guy. His ideolgies align with mine in almost every way. But in order to get some spotlight time he had to go out on a limb and toss out some ideas that fired up his base, but wouldn't have stood a chance of getting through the House and Senate.

Fox Henhouse. It's really that simple.

So assuming that Clinton would have run into the same gridlock that Sanders would have, and Trump currently is, is completely naive.

Clinton Hate 101 Mr. Frown.

Translation: I no longer care but as an old man who fears change I'd like the wheels to stay greased, forever if possible.

OccultHawk 08-26-2017 12:04 PM
Government shutdown

Scawy

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867638)
Translation: Least full dumpster with the benefit of having the most experience dealing with Capitol Hill.
Fixed.

Why is this so hard to understand? And yes, I'm older. All the more important that I vote for someone who isn't going to make it a point to **** with my SS benefits that I've built up over the past 41 years of working full time. I also vote with my kids in mind.

Who did you vote for Bat, and why?

Frownland 08-26-2017 12:40 PM
Bernie never even held a chair on a damn school board. He's basically less qualified than Trump. Now Hillary, she's been doing that **** since she was 12 years old and invented the trick of exchanging values for upvotes.

The Batlord 08-26-2017 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867642)
Fixed.

Why is this so hard to understand? And yes, I'm older. All the more important that I vote for someone who isn't going to make it a point to **** with my SS benefits that I've built up over the past 41 years of working full time. I also vote with my kids in mind.

Who did you vote for Bat, and why?
The way you say that she's the lesser evil and then turn around and chug chug chugalug that Hillary dickery cock reminds me of SS concentration camp guards who send Jews to the gas chambers and then go play catch with their kids.

And I didn't vote because I was trying to catch up on some sleep. Worked a charm.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867647)
The way you say that she's the lesser evil and then turn around and chug chug chugalug that Hillary dickery cock reminds me of SS concentration camp guards who send Jews to the gas chambers and then go play catch with their kids.
Hyperbole much? I'm just listing her resume and backing up why she got my vote. Don't equate some praise for her accomplishments to sucking her clit/cock.

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And I didn't vote because I was trying to catch up on some sleep. Worked a charm.
Who would you have voted for based on all of the folks in both primaries?

Armchair QBs suck BTW.

Trollheart 08-26-2017 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867647)
The way you say that she's the lesser evil and then turn around and chug chug chugalug that Hillary dickery cock reminds me of SS concentration camp guards who send Jews to the gas chambers and then go play catch with their kids.

And I didn't vote because I was trying to catch up on some sleep. Worked a charm.
Yeah, I heard Throw-The-Jew was a very popular sport in Auschwitz! :laughing:

The Batlord 08-26-2017 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867649)
Hyperbole much? I'm just listing her resume and backing up why she got my vote. Don't equate some praise for her accomplishments to sucking her clit/cock.



Who would you have voted for based on all of the folks in both primaries?

Armchair QBs suck BTW.
Might have voted Trump just for the lulz tbh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867652)
Yeah, I heard Throw-The-Jew was a very popular sport in Auschwitz! :laughing:
I'd have made a joke about playing catch with Jewish orphans.

OccultHawk 08-26-2017 02:37 PM
12% of Sanders voters later voted for Trump.

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1867678)
Hillary would be the best at starting with the centrist position and then negotiating to the conservative one
What? Are you high?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...illary_Clinton

The Batlord 08-26-2017 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867679)
https://i.giphy.com/media/o3gE1EtRlPZE4/giphy.webp

OccultHawk 08-26-2017 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1867680)
Tbqh Sanders attracted a lot of politically illiterate who couldn't be bothered with policy aka Bernie Bros.
Voters just vote for no real ****ing reason all the time. It's like me watching hockey. I don't know **** about it, I can't tell what the **** is going on, it's cool when they fight. Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr.

Are you high?

OccultHawk 08-26-2017 03:17 PM
Pass it over here

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1867681)
I get accused of being kind of moderate and center.
How does that equate to compromising towards conservative policies? Moderate and Centrism is exactly why she could've worked with both sides of the aisle. Trump is too far right for even a lot of the GOP for cripes sake.

So much stretching going on here.


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