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Old 02-05-2019, 12:36 PM   #16931 (permalink)
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John Paul Jones better bring his A game if he expects to keep up. Thurston too to be honest.
Agreed. Pick scrapes won't save you now bitch!
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:42 PM   #16932 (permalink)
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Goo is a great album

ofc their debut is more my style

don't take this the wrong way because I luv SY but am I the only one that sees Moore as a superfan of alternative music rather than organically special
Lee surrendered too much power his way. Thurston was very charismatic but the better sounds came out of Lee’s guitar.

I know what you mean by the superfan thing but Thurston’s legacy goes way beyond that. Thurston and Lee jointly are the last two guitar legends.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:46 PM   #16933 (permalink)
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Dirty and Goo could arguably be classified as crappy grunge.
Dude, Goo is fantastic.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:04 PM   #16934 (permalink)
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Dude, Goo is fantastic.
Yeah. I mean I remember when it came out and my heart sank. Daydream Nation was already pointing in much safer direction then the next thing I knew people who had never heard Bad Moon Rising were walking in Goo t-shirts. It was like Sonic Youth had been gentrified. And Goo is painfully inferior to Confusion, BMR, EVOL, and Sister.

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They were indeed a guitar band and definitely guitar heroes. They were the final statement concerning rock’n’roll guitar that was born as Chuck Berry hit its stride with Hendrix and died in the atonal roar of early Sonic Youth.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:08 PM   #16935 (permalink)
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I think they had a better approach and a wider depth of influence like being Swell Maps fanatics and such than most popular 90's groups
Sonic Youth are an 80’s group. Along with Big Black and the Butthole Surfers and Dinosaur Jr they were what made the 80s the greatest decade rock’n’roll would ever know.
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Old 02-05-2019, 01:10 PM   #16936 (permalink)
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Yeah. I mean I remember when it came out and my heart sank. Daydream Nation was already pointing in much safer direction then the next thing I knew people who had never heard Bad Moon Rising were walking in Goo t-shirts. It was like Sonic Youth had been gentrified. And Goo is painfully inferior to Confusion, BMR, EVOL, and Sister.
I don't agree on a personal listening level but I respect the opinion. Goo and Daydream Nation were my first exposures to SY so the nostalgia levels beat down any taste changes that have occurred since. I've expanded my preferences for more experimental or "unsafe" sounds but I can still go back to easy peazy late 80's/early 90's staples any day of the week.
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I don't really get that because nothing they do hadn't already been done

they have their own unique sound like any good band, but I don't see them as much different from the general ZG of 90's guitar music blending punk/shoegaze with arena rock

I guess they're inherently better because less metal
Their crazy Branca tunings and screwdrivers and hammers bending the strings into howling madness in way that felt sacred. They were definitely pioneers. There’s no playing the who did what first game. They brought it on stage uncompromised and made it rock’n’roll. It didn’t matter that only 20 people showed up. Profound music history was made and they murdered rock’n’roll guitar. They took it to the conclusion and ripped it to shreds.
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I hardly like any of those bands re: OH

80's was great because punk set rock music free from the guitar god boring approach

the aftermath of punk was "anything goes" in popular music
This gets into things like you not liking The Beach Boys. You still don’t understand rock’n’roll.
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why isn't Branca the last word then?

or No Wave in general

that was the nail in the coffin imo
Because Branca wasn’t rock’n’roll. He was working in the framework of Varèse not Chuck Berry.
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it's that I don't really care about RocknRoll as it were
Then STFU about Goo
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