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jwb 09-19-2019 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2079048)
So what you're saying is the rich evil people that benefit off of capitalism framed them as communists as propaganda? Or that we just wrongfully interpreted them as communist?

they were failed experiments to produce actual communism. They were very intent on doing so and they openly preached communism so we saw them as communists. Which they were. They just didn't have the ability to fulfill their vision. In part cause it was a poorly thought out vision.

Not to say they are necessarily what a communist regime has to look like. They're just the biggest and most prominent examples of nations that tried to create Marx's utopia.

OccultHawk 09-20-2019 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2079158)
and the US grew its economy on slave labor, exploitatation of immigrants, extreme central planning from the government, military dominance

you don't get a rich country because capitalism is The Best and all that standard nonesense

Church

Anteater 09-20-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2079158)
and the US grew its economy on slave labor, exploitatation of immigrants, extreme central planning from the government, military dominance

you don't get a rich country because capitalism is The Best and all that standard nonesense

It's nonsense to suggest that any form of communism would achieve a better result when the track record is worse than what we have.

Going by actual results, we should all be like Denmark and forego all other systems.

OccultHawk 09-20-2019 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2079221)
It's nonsense to suggest that any form of communism would achieve a better result when the track record is worse than what we have.

Millions working 40 plus in bone grinding conditions wearing out hips and spines and can’t never see the doctor.

America is a Holocaust in denial. And I’m not being melodramatic. It ****ing is like that so **** all of you in advance for your predictable admonishments. Every restaurant in America has employees with lives not worth living. You can only get so dead. If you’re devastated you’re devastated.

The Batlord 09-20-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2079221)
It's nonsense to suggest that any form of communism would achieve a better result when the track record is worse than what we have.

Going by actual results, we should all be like Denmark and forego all other systems.

You don't even have to support any form of socialism to shake your head at that logic.

The Batlord 09-20-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2079227)
Millions working 40 plus in bone grinding conditions wearing out hips and spines and can’t never see the doctor.

America is a Holocaust in denial. And I’m not being melodramatic. It ****ing is like that so **** all of you in advance for your predictable admonishments. Every restaurant in America has employees with lives not worth living. You can only get so dead. If you’re devastated you’re devastated.

I'd say plenty of other countries do some form of this but other than that yeah.

OccultHawk 09-20-2019 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2079231)
I'd say plenty of other countries do some form of this but other than that yeah.

I live in THIS ****hole. I know first hand it sucks. That’s my song and imma keep singing it

The Batlord 09-20-2019 08:55 PM

And I mean spines and knees wearing out is terrible but at least people recognize that those wear out. Americans are so stressed out from all this **** they're gunning people down in the in schools and Walmarts just so someone will notice that they're angry and need help.

Anteater 09-20-2019 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2079227)
Millions working 40 plus in bone grinding conditions wearing out hips and spines and can’t never see the doctor.

"Millions"? Bull****. In the whole U.S. there are literally around 550k or so people working minimum wage according to the BLS. And even when you look at people right above that threshold, the total number is around 1.2 million, which represents literally only 2.3% of ALL people in the country who works a job that pays hourly.

I'd be interested in seeing unions coming back stronger and a lot of other changes though.

OccultHawk 09-20-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2079237)
And I mean spines and knees wearing out is terrible but at least people recognize that those wear out. Americans are so stressed out from all this **** they're gunning people down in the in schools and Walmarts just so someone will notice that they're angry and need help.

****ing exactly

Don’t back off that truth when you sober up if you’re drunk


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