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Cuthbert 11-22-2014 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1511638)
Because those are select verses that aren't about the big picture of what the Quran paints, that's why.
No, I said there is hateful scripture in the Qur'an. You've not proven me wrong by saying it's only certain surahs.

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I'll be taking an Islam course next semester so I imagine I'll be reading more.
Well when you do, come back and chat to me. When I read the Qur'an, I was concerned. Less than impressed shall we say. In fact I was horrified.

Islam is scum.

Frownland 11-22-2014 07:32 PM
I guess I misinterpreted what you said then. Carry on.

I'll let you know if I hate Muslims by the end of the course. I doubt I will because I know how moderates tend to take things with a grain of salt.

John Wilkes Booth 11-22-2014 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian Benteke (Post 1511607)
If there was a law that could be interpreted to say that it's OK to beat your wife, should we leave it and say domestic abusers are taking it out of context or should we change it so that it's clear it's not acceptable?



This annoys me. Liberals constantly shout down critics of Islam saying that those who are extreme or violent are not real Muslims, who are they to say that? It's exactly the same as saying extremists are the real Muslims.

Islam is the one religion which is consistently producing evil around the world wherever it goes. Western Muslims will say Islam is being interpreted wrongly but it's bollocks, in all the hundreds of years, and the dozens of countries who have implemented shit like the Sharia not one has managed to get it right? And this from a book which claims to be perfect, clear and from God.

- Hateful scripture
- Scripture being interpreted as hateful and taught as such
- Bad acts carried out

Islam ticks all the boxes mate.
islam is the most ****ed up major religion i think in general... but people cling to it as a sort of cultural identity so it's like when you attack islam you'e attacking all the people they love and what they stand for. but at the end of the day the strict interpretation of it is pretty ****ed up imo. most of the cool muslims are the ones who will gloss over the negative and focus on the positive, which is basically what christians and jews do too. so that's why you shouldn't attack islam in general cause there's a lot of decent people with cultural ties to it.

Cuthbert 11-22-2014 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1511662)
I guess I misinterpreted what you said then. Carry on.

I'll let you know if I hate Muslims by the end of the course. I doubt I will because I know how moderates tend to take things with a grain of salt.
I'm not talking about the people, but it makes a change to come to an amicable disagreement.

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1511663)
islam is the most ****ed up major religion i think in general... but people cling to it as a sort of cultural identity so it's like when you attack islam you'e attacking all the people they love and what they stand for. but at the end of the day the strict interpretation of it is pretty ****ed up imo. most of the cool muslims are the ones who will gloss over the negative and focus on the positive, which is basically what christians and jews do too. so that's why you shouldn't attack islam in general cause there's a lot of decent people with cultural ties to it.
Agree mate. & I'm well aware. I live in a part of the city which is probably half Muslim, but went to college and previously lived in predominantly Islamic areas. Anyone trying to tell me not all Muslims are like that is wasting their time.

& Yes Islam is fucked up. I never faced any punishment leaving Christianity, I do know a girl on my university course who was kicked out and homeless for refusing to wear the hijab, and another who was kidnapped from the campus.

OccultHawk 11-22-2014 07:46 PM
Bush, Reagan, and Nixon were Christian murderous thugs.
Mao and Stalin were atheists I guess.

That makes me think, "Well, it's hard to say."

But I, unfortunately, live in a very conservative Christian community and it's hard to imagine the people here wanting to kill someone for writing a book like the Salmon Rushdie fatwa or wanting to kill that Dutch cartoonist. So I think man those people are whack jobs. Then Americans keep wanting to expand a military that's like 20X the size of the next largest or whatever. That's completely insane, too. It's hard to be the most bat**** on this planet.

John Wilkes Booth 11-22-2014 07:47 PM
yea like i said they're the most ****ed up i'll give you that. some try to pretend like it's equal but really in terms of serious radicalism muslims are at like a 9. christians are at maybe a 4 and jews are hovering around 1 (excluding the ones that live in israel).

edit- to add to that, your christians are extremely tame compared to ours. there are parts of america where you really might start seeing some similarities between osama and these backwoods people.

Cuthbert 11-22-2014 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1511671)
yea like i said they're the most ****ed up i'll give you that. some try to pretend like it's equal but really in terms of serious radicalism muslims are at like a 9. christians are at maybe a 4 and jews are hovering around 1 (excluding the ones that live in israel).
You'll get no complaints from me :cool:

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edit- to add to that, your christians are extremely tame compared to ours. there are parts of america where you really might start seeing some similarities between osama and these backwoods people.
I've seen some documentaries from Louis Theroux on the Westboro Baptist Church & a lad in America coming out as gay and being beaten by his Christian family, fucked up.

My mom is from the Caribbean and Catholic, dad's Church of England I think. Only my dad practices religion. Nothing happened when I said I didn't believe in those fairytales.

Thank fuck I wasn't born into Islam.

John Wilkes Booth 11-22-2014 08:34 PM
yea i'm from a laid back catholic family myself. they basically believe out of guilt but don't focus on that **** too much.

John Wilkes Booth 11-22-2014 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1511670)
Bush, Reagan, and Nixon were Christian murderous thugs.
Mao and Stalin were atheists I guess.
i'm sorry but these talking point really tend to annoy me. none of the above was done in the name of christianity except maybe on the face of it bush but really it was just basic geopolitics.

as for the atheist atrocities. isn't a coincidence that every atheist atrocity happens to be in some communist dictatorship. stalin and mao weren't like "****, since there's no god to stop us lets eliminate unwanted ethnic groups and exploit peasants to the point of starvation for the benefit of our own regime." they were atheists cause marxism saw religion as a threat so atheism was built into the ideology but besides that it's mere circumstance that they happened to be atheistic regimes that committed genocides. they didn't kill 50 million people in the name of 'who gives a **** since there's no god anyway.'

The Batlord 11-22-2014 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1511638)
Because those are select verses that aren't about the big picture of what the Quran paints, that's why. It's like saying Obamas entire career is focused on immigration reform but that's really only a small part of it. I've read the first six chapters of the Quran, but I'll be taking an Islam course next semester so I imagine I'll be reading more.
The Bible's all about love too. And yet there are still verses about women getting turned into salt, homosexuality being an abomination, women being executed for being raped in a city but not in the countryside, etc. Religions can have a peaceful big picture while having details that lead to atrocities. And yet it's somehow wrong to mention these things. I get that people are worried about Islamophobia, but we still have to live in a world that religious fundamentalists (and moderates) of all faiths create, so this idea that religious beliefs should be immune from public criticism is nonsense.

Not that I'm saying that's your point, but it's still an important point to make.


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