You nailed it here. It just annoys me that almost nobody gets what you’re saying.

I don't think there is a proper statistic on this yet. Just as there isn't a proper statistic on sex trafficking, though there are better statistics on that. This is kind of a new thing that we are discovering.

I really don't want to do research on a half-cocked point when it's not really a hill I'm willing to die on.

Capitalism created Epstien. I don't know if that's the conclusion you wanted me to come to but that's kind of been something on my mind lately. Espstien only thrived as a child sex trafficker because capitalism put him in that position and gave him that power.

Church

I could be wrong but I read it as him saying other forms of exploitation (such as of workers) are just as bad as explicitly sexual exploitation.

I'm still thoroughly willing to shoot the Pope in the head for doing nothing about this but the question is whether priests have a higher pedo percentage than the general populace and a good way to at least approach this would be to look at the rate of pedophilia in religious leaders in Protestantism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, and any other religion that doesn't have a centralized leadership to cover up pedophilia.

I imagine there are statistics out there that we're too lazy to look up, which is kind of the point. You need to at least try to look up the literature on the subject to make informed statements.

Epstein could have and I'm sure did exist in any form of government/economics throughout history. It wasn't capitalism that covered up his crimes, it was powerful people. Or to be more specific, capitalism covered up his crimes in the same way any other form of government/economics would have covered up his crimes.

I'm not gonna try to put words into OH's mouth but what I imagine he would try to say if he was as smart as I am is that exploitation of workers applies to exploitation of sex workers as well, and exploitation of workers can be both sexual and non-sexual and both are based on the power dynamics of capitalism and you can't solve either exploitation or sexual exploitation in capitalism without solving the inherent problems in the power dynamics of capitalism that will exist so long as capitalism exists.

I completely understood your point and I even think it had merit

I'm just saying that it's the sorta thing that if I said it, it would be misinterpreted as me defending the church due to my obvious Christian sensibilities...

Despite me not believing in Jesus and being more of a depraved hedonistic deviant than the lot of you, in terms of actual sexual behavior.



maybe. It seemed to me like he was somewhat irritated at society prioritizing sexual abuse above other forms of exploitation.

No, I looked up the statistics on women forced into porn and can't find ****. I found an article about how more and more women in Japan are coming forward about being tricked or forced into porn, but it just had the number attached to that case. We really lack a lot of stats that you'd think we'd have.

Sure, I think any power angle could be exploited in the same way. However, capitalism definitely makes it easier because it creates a clear hierarchy where those that have the capital have the power.

So your argument is that modern porn is kinda creepy? Absolutely who gives a ****? You waste your own time, dude.

Like I said I'm smarter than him but his basic point stands even if he ends up sounding like he's bitching about men's rights.

I definitely think there's a forced blindness about exploitation and bad stuff in porn since people just don't want to care. I mean there was that woman who was basically bullied into committing suicide because she agreed with someone who didn't want to perform with a man who'd done gay porn because there's a poorly kept secret that gay porn has an STD problem, but when you look into it gay porn does in fact have an STD problem.

It was treated as a problem with the people pointing it out as if they were homophobic, and regardless of whether or not they were there is an STD problem in gay porn that could be dealt with if there was actual responsible government oversight of porn in general.

Yeah but the Epstein problem isn't really about capitalism so much as it's about the problem of power dynamics in general. Someone who has money doesn't need capitalism to take a poor waif and use them for whatever purpose they want with the promise of food and status. It would exist under literally any form of government or economics that allows for power disparity. Feudal lords could do the exact same thing without having to account for any extra blocks to their influence.