The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Trollheart]

I'll say this one more time and then drop it to save Batty's blood pressure.

I am NOT saying she's INNOCENT or should not be prosecuted. I am NOT saying that what I postulate might have happened to her did, that she was in this position. She could have been a very willing/uncaring accomplice. She could have been a card-carrying Nazi.

The word here is MIGHT, and you are failing/refusing to allow for the fact that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. You have decided she is guilty for even being involved in a clerical role, and so should be, in your words, hanged. You're not going to change that opinion, you're not going to afford her any benefit of the doubt, and you're not going to try to disguise your - rather disturbing, if I'm honest - blood lust and glee that a woman who's almost ready to die should be subjected to such treatment. Maybe she should. Maybe she is guilty. But you don't have to be such a prick about it. If she's guilty she'll possibly end her life in prison, though as I say there can't be much left of it.

It's all about knowing the full story, which you seem not interested in. I bet if it somehow came out that she was pressured into the job, didn't want it but felt she had to take it, you'd be so disappointed, but would probably find a way to put the blame on her.

You. Were. Not. There.
Nor was I.
Neither of us know the truth, which is why your rush to judgement is so abhorrent to me. I'm not advocating a free pass, but I am advocating getting all the facts before setting up the gallows.

It would be really helpful to have someone who speaks German (where's grindy when you need him, huh?) to read that interview in the link and see if it tells us more.

Not that you care, Batty. But I do. If I'm wrong and there's nothing to shield or excuse her, fine, let them prosecute and jail her. But I'd prefer to wait and get all the facts before condemning her.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by jwb

What actually leads to a normal person working at a concentration camp? This is worth reading imo.

Pt 1

That was an intense and informative read. Everyone basically knows it went down like that but it’s good to get a refresher on the gritty reality.

I looked for the follow up on wiki

Verdict and sentence
On 15 July 2015, he was found guilty of being an accessory to the murder of at least 300,000 Jews. Reacting to the sentence, Auschwitz survivor Kor said that she was "disappointed" adding: "They are trying to teach a lesson that if you commit such a crime, you will be punished. But I do not think the court has acted properly in sentencing him to four years in jail. It is too late for that kind of sentence ... My preference would have been to sentence him to community service by speaking out against neo-Nazis. I would like the court to prove to me, a survivor, how four years in jail will benefit anybody." Gröning's defence lawyer, Hans Holtermann, was quoted as saying that he would review the verdict before deciding whether to appeal.

On 28 November 2016, the appeal was declined by the German Federal Court of Justice (BGH). In August 2017, Gröning was judged to be fit for prison. An appeal to the Federal Constitutional Court also failed. The latter court ruled his age was not a valid reason not to send him to jail.

On 15 January 2018, Gröning applied for pardon as a last measure to avoid imprisonment. The pardon was rejected.

On 9 March 2018, Gröning died while hospitalized before he was to begin his sentence. He was 96.

Kor, whose twin sister was murdered at Auschwitz, seems to have felt much closer to TH than Batlord.

Same way that if you eat meat you're no less complicit in the slaughter of animals then the guy working at the slaughterhouse.

Everyone who works in America and contributes to the tax base and the culture of ecocidal mania and the permanent necro-capitalist consumer based war machine is complicit in the worst destruction humanity will ever know. Historians, who will have to be future visitors from another planet, will conclude that you, Bat, and myself have more blood on our hands than Hitler himself. The Nazis were only an existential threat to non-Aryans. We’re destroying the entire planet for all of humanity, including ourselves, permanently.

[The Batlord]

You lobbed a dumb, bull**** hypothetical into the conversation to give sympathy to a genocide secretary. I am not obligated to pretend that hypothetical has merit. It doesn't. It's moronic. Threatening German citizens with violence if they refused to organize a filing system was not a policy of the Nazis. It simply wasn't.

[Trollheart]

Anyway, in other news...


It may be the end of the road for Eddie. The last of our three cats has been losing weight for the last few months, looks weak and acts listless. I took him to the vet two weeks ago and was told he had (as I suspected) something wrong with his teeth - gum disease, in fact. Not a problem, right?

Well.

Eddie has, as you may or may not know, cardiomyopathy, or something, basically an enlarged heart. This causes problems with his breathing. I've seen him struggle in what I think in a human might be called a panic attack or hyperventilation; I pet him and make a fuss of him and he calms down. It's like he has something in his throat he needs to get up - like when he used to choke up furballs when younger - but there's nothing there.

The upshot of this is that Eddie would not be a great candidate for an anaesthetic; the chances of him coming back are pretty low. So the vet decided/advised he should be left as he was, that the pain could be managed with painkillers, anti-inflammatories and so on.

Here's the thing though. In order to get those into his system Eddie has to eat his food, and, well Eddie is not eating his food. I'm watching weight fall off him, watching him stare at his food rather uncomprehendingly, obviously hungry but unable to satisfy that hunger due to, presumably, the pain of his teeth.

So now Karen and I have to make a decision: demand the operation be performed, knowing that in all likelihood we're sentencing him to death, but holding on to the very slim chance he might pull through, or let him continue as he is, basically watch him starve to death.

I ****ing hate this year already.

[OccultHawk]

Sorry man

If it were my dog I’d have her euthanized. And trust me, I don’t say that lightly.

Best to y’all

[Trollheart]

We're probably going with this, however ****ing Covid brings up another problem. If I bring him down knowing he's going to sleep, I'm a total ****ing wimp and I know I'll cry and wail and snot all over myself, and it's pretty horrible to do that with a mask on. If, however, I bring him down - while knowing more or less that it's futile - to have the operation, I go home and then if/when I get the call I can cry in comfort at home without a mask.

Sounds ridiculous, and it is, but it's something I have to consider. I don't want to choke behind my mask, and I can't risk/won't be let take it off, but when your pet looks up at you with those trusting eyes and you know what's going to happen, hell, who could keep back the tears?

Christ, I hate this ****ing world right now.

[OccultHawk]

You’ll be vaccinated within a month or so. Just hang on until then if that’s what you need to do.

[Trollheart]

No I certainly will not. Even Karen, who should be near the top of the list, is something like seventh category down. I'll be lucky to be done by the end of the year, and I'm certainly not waiting that long. ****, it's breaking my heart looking at him day after day, and it's not helping her either.

[Psy-Fi]

Woman who used Gorilla Glue in hair gets treatment at hospital

You can't cure stupid.

[OccultHawk]

Sorry TH - I guess I’m just overly optimistic about the vaccine roll out everywhere. This time next year I probably still won’t have been able to get it and talking about fire bombing something.

Originally Posted by Psy-Fi

Woman who used Gorilla Glue in hair gets treatment at hospital

You can't cure stupid.

Goddamn. The Japanese couldn’t think of a crazier torture. A weave ain’t gonna fix that one sista soldja