The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

[Lilja]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Yeah, amazon drone deliveries are like science fiction coming to life. AFAIK, the problem with drones is that legislation is racing to catch up with technology. Drones can invade privacy, distract drivers, and in the UK they have already been used to fly over prison walls, delivering drugs and mobile phones direct to inmates' cell windows. I


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Actually, the reason drones were banned here is because of the cameras. They are classified as monitoring cameras. Although if it is mounted on a car dashboard or a bicycle, it is ok.

Drones do a lot of good as well. You can use them for deliveries (here the local hospital was using them to deliver heart starters), get equipment to building sites, fighting illegal hunting, checking out burned out houses, checking out areas with high crime rates, etc.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Lilja

I think it is mainly so it is not forgotten. In the US though, I can spout as much as I want that the Holocaust did not happen or that Nazi's were kind and it is fine as that is protected by freedom of speech.

What I was trying to state is that Anti-hate laws are in place to protect minority groups so that people just don't go around spouting lots of crap and expect that it is okay to insult one's race, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Why should hurting others be thought of acceptable and a right? It shouldn't.

I think the issue is where you draw the line. In the US we have a large population of Christian theocrats who take the the slightest criticism, or even lack of deference, as an assault on their religion. If we had the laws you're talking about, that group of people would use them as a tool to silence dissent, and that's a huge problem, not just for free speech but for freedom in general.

Originally Posted by Lilja

Countries with anti-hate laws include Austria, Belgium, Turkey, Bosnia, France, Germany, Sweden, Greece, Israel, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Russia, Brazil, Bolivia, Columbia and on and on.

Some of those countries are good examples of exactly the problem with those kinds of laws. I mean, do you really think the imprisonment of Pussy Riot was a just response to "hate speech" or that Turkish journalists who "insult religion" should be tossed in jail?

[Goofle]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

If we had the laws you're talking about, that group of people would use them as a tool to silence dissent, and that's a huge problem, not just for free speech but for freedom in general.

I'd agree with that without singling out Christian theocrats. I've never actually seen a Christian argue against free speech (I don't doubt that some probably have), but there are many other groups that also want to curtail freedom of speech.

The limit should be inciting violence. If somebody wants to deny the holocaust, claim their prophet split the moon, deny evolution or say any other unbelievably silly thing, that's their business. Just don't call for violence.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Goofle

I'd agree with that without singling out Christian theocrats. I've never actually seen a Christian argue against free speech (I don't doubt that some probably have), but there are many other groups that also want to curtail freedom of speech.

Of course there are. I was talking specifically about the situation in the country I live in.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Goofle

I'd agree with that without singling out Christian theocrats. I've never actually seen a Christian argue against free speech (I don't doubt that some probably have), but there are many other groups that also want to curtail freedom of speech.

The limit should be inciting violence. If somebody wants to deny the holocaust, claim their prophet split the moon, deny evolution or say any other unbelievably silly thing, that's their business. Just don't call for violence.

See: Kaepernick outrage for Christians wanting to make speech less free.

I agree with the last part to an extent. Time and place is important for when people express these opinions. Someone denying evolution while having a beer with friends is whatever, but denying it while you're teaching a science class is one million percent unacceptable.

[Goofle]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Of course there are. I was talking specifically about the situation in the country I live in.

I was also talking about your country, since pretty much everywhere else is already doomed in regards to freedom of speech.

@ Frown - Good example, though I am not sure that was mainly Christian theocrats. Seemed to be a more patriotic outrage than anything else.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Goofle

I was also talking about your country, since pretty much everywhere else is already doomed in regards to freedom of speech.

@ Frown - Good example, though I am not sure that was mainly Christian theocrats. Seemed to be a more patriotic outrage than anything else.

In the Venn diagram of American nationalists and American theocrats, the circles are practically on top of each other.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

In the Venn diagram of American nationalists and American theocrats, the circles are practically on top of each other.

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[The Batlord]

NOT A JOKE: Couple Encounters Black Metal Band In The Woods During Engagement Photo Shoot - Metal Injection

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

I saw that awhile ago. Awesome