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Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2060475)
If you actually read what you cited from those posts you dug up out of the grave, you see me not only defend racial diversity, but make fun of other white people and talk about the inevitability (in a positive sense for the whole of humanity) of the U.S.'s growing diversification, which was in reference to a study by a prominent non-profit organization on demographic projections. White supremacy won't be able to exist in a country where whites aren't the majority demographic. Are you butthurt because you wanted to make that point yourself but I beat you to it?

And yes, it is pathetic for trying to tear me down when the best you can do is to attempt to take me out of context or outright slander me. Except Bat wouldn't go to the extent you did to prove me correct.

The comment that came after defending white supremacy doesn't change the fact that you defended white supremacy. In fact, it still kind of defends white supremacy because your defense of it is that majority bias is inescapable. You think white supremacy is okay if the majority is white. To be honest, as I've already pointed out, you always tend to back peddle on this **** when you get called out and that's what this comment comes off as.

Anteater 06-10-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060477)
The comment that came after defending white supremacy doesn't change the fact that you defended white supremacy. In fact, it still kind of defends white supremacy because your defense of it is that majority bias is inescapable. You think white supremacy is okay if the majority is white. To be honest, as I've already pointed out, you always tend to back peddle on this **** when you get called out and that's what this comment comes off as.

Well at least you got one thing correct. Thank you.

Talking about the realities of race doesn't mean they're fine. You just can't do anything about them in the present. Which is why I cited the studies that I did in the first place to showcase that.

I mean, I don't think taxes are fine when I know a big chunk of my money is just going overseas to kill people, but the change is going to have to come from somebody above my paygrade.

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2060479)
he appeared to say white supremacy is fine because otherwise or inevitably there will be Chinese supremacy

Instead of simply both being bad

I think he was also trying to say that other countries handle majority bias more savagely than us.

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2060480)
Well at least you got one thing correct. Thank you.

Talking about the realities of race doesn't mean they're fine. You just can't do anything about them in the present.

I mean, I don't think taxes are fine when I know a big chunk of my money is just going overseas to kill people, but the change is going to have to come from somebody above my paygrade.

I don't think that is a passable excuse. Not just for white supremacy but any form of racial supremacy. And yes, when you said that you are defending white supremacy. I'm definitely not against diversifying our country, but I don't think we should have to in order to get over racial biases.

Edit: Look how far we've already come. We can do better.

OccultHawk 06-10-2019 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060477)
The comment that came after defending white supremacy doesn't change the fact that you defended white supremacy. In fact, it still kind of defends white supremacy because your defense of it is that majority bias is inescapable. You think white supremacy is okay if the majority is white. To be honest, as I've already pointed out, you always tend to back peddle on this **** when you get called out and that's what this comment comes off as.

You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.

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he appeared to say white supremacy is fine because otherwise or inevitably there will be Chinese supremacy

Instead of simply both being bad
Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 03:44 PM

What's annoying is that I'm reading it the same as everybody else that called him out did but got treated with much less respect.

The Batlord 06-10-2019 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060487)
You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.



Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?

He always gives Trump and white supremacists a pass or deflects criticism with some whataboutism. It's pretty easy to see the pattern.

Lucem Ferre 06-10-2019 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060487)
You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.



Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?

He is saying it in response to people who think white supremacy is a problem. Context is everything. It's like the all lives matter thing. Yes we all know all lives matter and we all know that majorities tend to mistreat minorities. But using that as a response completely changes the context. The same way ALM is trying to devalue BLM's message he's saying it to demean the idea that white supremacy is a problem.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you OH.

Oriphiel 06-10-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2060480)
Well at least you got one thing correct. Thank you.

Talking about the realities of race doesn't mean they're fine. You just can't do anything about them in the present. Which is why I cited the studies that I did in the first place to showcase that.

I mean, I don't think taxes are fine when I know a big chunk of my money is just going overseas to kill people, but the change is going to have to come from somebody above my paygrade.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060483)
I don't think that is a passable excuse. Not just for white supremacy but any form of racial supremacy. And yes, when you said that you are defending white supremacy. I'm definitely not against diversifying our country, but I don't think we should have to in order to get over racial biases.

Edit: Look how far we've already come. We can do better.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060487)
You have a very bad of habit of assuming one possible and least favorable extension of someone’s argument is indisputably what they’re getting at.

He never said white supremacy is ok.

To me it sounds like he’s saying the majority often mistreats the minority. That seems like a reasonable assessment of human behavior. If you make the inference from that he’s defending white supremacy I’d say it is fair to take a jab at your reading skills.



Good grief.

Do you really need a qualifier for that? Why do you have to reach for the least generous interpretation of his words as possible?

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060497)
He is saying it in response to people who think white supremacy is a problem. Context is everything. It's like the all lives matter thing. Yes we all know all lives matter and we all know that majorities tend to mistreat minorities. But using that as a response completely changes the context. The same way ALM is trying to devalue BLM's message he's saying it to demean the idea that white supremacy is a problem.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you OH.

https://i.imgur.com/Yv35XJ5.gif?1

Anteater 06-10-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2060496)
He always gives Trump and white supremacists a pass or deflects criticism with some whataboutism. It's pretty easy to see the pattern.

Define "whataboutism", because you aren't using it correctly. I don't talk about other things as a form of deflection to say "X did it first so we should excuse Y" (Hillary to Trump or whatnot). I make comparisons as illustrations to discuss a larger related point, whether that's about how media organizations approach whatever the subject is, an economic or data-driven angle, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060483)
I don't think that is a passable excuse. Not just for white supremacy but any form of racial supremacy. And yes, when you said that you are defending white supremacy. I'm definitely not against diversifying our country, but I don't think we should have to in order to get over racial biases.

Edit: Look how far we've already come. We can do better.

We can do better, but we also live in a world driven by scarcity, massive upheavals in society due to things like automation, etc. Look at what OH said before about the demographics of the south lately compared to San Francisco. There are realities about human nature that need to be addressed if you actually want to position yourself as any kind of problem solver (however you plan or desire to contribute).

The Batlord 06-10-2019 04:45 PM

Whatever, guy.

Frownland 06-10-2019 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2060513)
I don't talk about other things as a form of deflection to say "X did it first so we should excuse Y" (Hillary to Trump or whatnot). I make comparisons as illustrations to discuss a larger related point, whether that's about how media organizations approach whatever the subject is, an economic or data-driven angle, whatever.

Show, don't tell. Usually because telling espouses a lack of self awareness.

Anteater 06-10-2019 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2060529)
Show, don't tell. Usually because telling espouses a lack of self awareness.


grindy 06-10-2019 10:05 PM

The only inexcusable thing I remember Ant ever saying on this forum was this ancient alien ****.

OccultHawk 06-11-2019 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2060570)
The only inexcusable thing I remember Ant ever saying on this forum was this ancient alien ****.

Back to back bears for you son

https://media.giphy.com/media/Xnhrfkfiawumk/giphy.gif

Frownland 06-12-2019 01:16 PM

Texas governor signs controversial 'Save Chick-fil-A' bill

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The measure prohibits the government from taking "adverse action" against any individuals or businesses based on membership, support or donations to religious groups.
Finally, Texans can join ISIS without repercussions!

The Batlord 06-12-2019 04:05 PM

Does that mean John Walker Lindh is getting a full pardon?

OccultHawk 06-13-2019 06:20 AM

U.S. Assists Oil Tankers Near Iran After Attacks

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Damage to one of the ships was extensive, including a fire and a hole at the water line that was consistent with a hit by a torpedo or other projectile, according to early assessments.
The Japanese government said the other ship, operated by a Japanese company, sustained multiple attacks, including at least one hit from an unidentified projectile. Both ships were carrying crude oil products headed for Asia.
U.S. Naval Forces Central Command in Bahrain, which oversees U.S. naval operations in the region, received two distress calls about the attacks on the tankers in the Gulf of Oman
sigh (VietnamaramyWW1)

The Batlord 06-13-2019 06:38 AM

Ayatollah Khomeini? More like Hey Hollah Go Man!!!

Seriously go Iran.

OccultHawk 06-13-2019 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2060876)
Ayatollah Khomeini? More like Hey Hollah Go Man!!!

Seriously go Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...east-president

Trump is provoking a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. What could go wrong?

If Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or rogue terrorists nuke an American city it would almost be worth it just so I could say “I’ve been trying to tell people those weapons are dangerous...”

OccultHawk 06-13-2019 07:42 AM

Check out homie going ham on the popo’s vehicle in Memphis last night




OccultHawk 06-13-2019 07:55 AM

Goddamn this summer startin cray cray

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-sho...ring-rifle-nyc

New York City gunman fired rifle at man walking his dog, startling video shows

Lucem Ferre 06-13-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060887)
Goddamn this summer startin cray cray

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-sho...ring-rifle-nyc

New York City gunman fired rifle at man walking his dog, startling video shows

The ****ing comment section is some of the most bigoted **** I've ever seen.

Key 06-13-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060887)
Goddamn this summer startin cray cray

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-sho...ring-rifle-nyc

New York City gunman fired rifle at man walking his dog, startling video shows

What a ****ing piece of ****.

OccultHawk 06-13-2019 10:09 AM

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/breaki...g-16512158.amp

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It's the go-to music streaming service for many people, but it seems that Spotify has crashed this afternoon.
My Spotify isn’t working :(

Frownland 06-13-2019 10:13 AM

I thought mine was just being janky last night but it's good on my phone atm.

*sticks out tongue while listening to King Crimson*

Lucem Ferre 06-13-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Key (Post 2060899)
What a ****ing piece of ****.

Both the shooter and the people reading it going "Husband? Obama's son is going to jail while the other is going to hell. Two birds one stone."

The Batlord 06-13-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2060911)
Both the shooter and the people reading it going "Husband? Obama's son is going to jail while the other is going to hell. Two birds one stone."

.

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LGBTQ gets shot in leg and dies typical drama queen

The Batlord 06-13-2019 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060884)
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...east-president

Trump is provoking a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. What could go wrong?

If Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or rogue terrorists nuke an American city it would almost be worth it just so I could say “I’ve been trying to tell people those weapons are dangerous...”

Can someone just shoot this **** in the head already? What are the Secret Service good for if not as a wink wink nudge nudge check against presidential power?

OccultHawk 06-13-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky (Post 2060970)
Can someone just shoot this **** in the head already? What are the Secret Service good for if not as a wink wink nudge nudge check against presidential power?

Do the JFK!

(Really though - it’s awfully cowardly the way no one steps up)

Psy-Fi 06-14-2019 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060873)
U.S. Assists Oil Tankers Near Iran After Attacks



sigh (VietnamaramyWW1)

The Gulf of Tonkin incident was the first thing I thought of when I saw that headline yesterday.

Iranam

OccultHawk 06-14-2019 04:48 AM

I’m not buying it was Iran

Doesn’t make sense

OccultHawk 06-14-2019 05:28 AM

https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-w...sit-their-sons

Alabama woman says judge ordered her to allow her alleged rapist to visit their sons: report

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The woman, named Jessica, says she felt she “didn't have any options” when her uncle started to climb into her bed at night when she was around 12 or 13 years old. He allegedly impregnated her four times during her teenage years but was never convicted despite DNA evidence, she says. Now, she claims a judge told her she would spend 48 hours in a county jail every time she denied her alleged rapist visitation time with her sons.
Goddamn. Alabama is full steam ahead on living up to the most disturbing stereotypes about the Deep South.

Anteater 06-14-2019 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2060986)
Do the JFK!

(Really though - it’s awfully cowardly the way no one steps up)

That dude who set himself on fire almost made it to the WH last week. #progress

OccultHawk 06-15-2019 07:11 AM

Special Report from ONN


https://i.postimg.cc/05BsxT99/002180...7-A8-B67-A.jpg

During the past couple weeks horrifying events have struck the people of Khartoum, Sudan. While Sudan as a whole is well known as Africa’s ****tiest ****hole the urbanites of Khartoum have historically been immune to the long string of tragedies that have been choking out their rural countrymen for decades.

The people of Khartoum objected to the latest military takeover and took to the streets in a manner reminescent of America’s recent Occupy Movement, only much greater in numbers. The Janjaweed response has been quick and brutal. Several dozen protestors were met with machine gun fire and soon their bloodied corpses were being tossed into the famous Nile River.

Unconvinced that open acts of mass murder fully illustrated their dominance the Janjaweed turned to the time honored tradition of gang raping the remaining women and girls they saw fit for such treatment.

If UN troops were about they once again decided to sit this one out. The citizens of Khartoum are making some effort to regroup and are being encouraged to use non-violence as their means for social change and justice in the tradition of the Mahatma Gandhi.

The Batlord 06-15-2019 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2061315)
Special Report from ONN


https://i.postimg.cc/05BsxT99/002180...7-A8-B67-A.jpg

During the past couple weeks horrifying events have struck the people of Khartoum, Sudan. While Sudan as a whole is well known as Africa’s ****tiest ****hole the urbanites of Khartoum have historically been immune to the long string of tragedies that have been choking out their rural countrymen for decades.

The people of Khartoum objected to the latest military takeover and took to the streets in a manner reminescent of America’s recent Occupy Movement, only much greater in numbers. The Janjaweed response has been quick and brutal. Several dozen protestors were met with machine gun fire and soon their bloodied corpses were being tossed into the famous Nile River.

Unconvinced that open acts of mass murder fully illustrated their dominance the Janjaweed turned to the time honored tradition of gang raping the remaining women and girls they saw fit for such treatment.

If UN troops were about they once again decided to sit this one out. The citizens of Khartoum are making some effort to regroup and are being encouraged to use non-violence as their means for social change and justice in the tradition of the Mahatma Gandhi.

How could this get any worse?

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The bloodshed in Sudan has prompted concern from some world powers, but the military council has been bolstered by support from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, which between them have offered $3bn in aid.
Oh for the love of ****.

Psy-Fi 06-15-2019 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2061315)

Nice!

You should put a "Breaking News" chyron at the bottom and make it move in a continuous loop from right to left like the networks do.

OccultHawk 06-15-2019 07:49 AM

There’s also this super ****ed up **** going on in Mali reminescent of Algeria in late 1980’s where entire villages are murdered in a single night.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...133110169.html

Lisnaholic 06-16-2019 06:40 AM

About a month ago, Doug McC seemed to think that flooding in England was a joke. Boy, is he going to eat his words when he sees this latest news photo from the BBC:
Huge Puddle Inconveniences Well Over Five Cottages! If that's not a natural disaster, I don't know what is.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp..._townpa976.jpg
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I personally bounced back from the 2008 recession after about three years of belt-tightening, so I was surprised to hear on the news yesterday about how millenials in the USA are still suffering as a result of that career setback eleven years ago. Some events have a knock-on effect that resonates unseen years down the line. That's one reason that not only Trump, but media coverage of Trump, can be so alarming. With the headlines of the day dictated by Trump's latest tweet, not many people are offering long-term analysis, which is why I make a point of listening to this guy every Sunday:-



^ I don't suppose Trump cares or understands this kind of risk; like his attitude to global warming, it's a case of "I'll get what I can now and my kids can live with the consequences."

Psy-Fi 06-17-2019 02:26 PM

Here's a very strange tale of woe...

Millionaire gets 9 years for deadly fire above tunnels


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