If the things I’ve written haven’t impressed you enough to make the point I encourage you to simply meditate on the ramifications of private property.

Of course American “communes” don’t try to be global. The problem is capitalism does. Capitalism is based on economic expansion and that means trying to be global by definition. If the “commune” exists on earth it’s competing with capitalist objectives.

My grandma mom and aunt all lived in a commune for 6ish years. My mom said it was chill expect for all the nudity.

^sold.

95% fair

It is a legit endorsement.

eyo pit hair swing by and pick me up and let's get naked

Eh so their pits might look like Marx's beard. Can't win em all batty, quit being picky.

I was talking about wwwp.

Oh. lol

:laughing:

This is what I always tell people. Communism can never succeed when the whole world thrives on capitalist values. I notice a lot of the times a socialist or communist government crumbles it has something to do with trade deals. But I'm also not as educated as you guys so it feels good for my thoughts to be validated.

Ok so communism is global. So I guess that applies to the anarchist version too, even though it's sorta impossible for me to imagine a global anarchist order.

But then do you honestly believe the entire world is gonna be converted at once? Wouldn't living in a commune be more equitable than a low wage corporate job, and help you at least learn things about managing that kind of dynamic more than continuing to punch a clock will?

In other words... Are you sure that a better path to your goal doesn't involve trial and error and leading by example rather than getting completely immersed in Marxist theory while continuing to live by punching a clock or collecting a salary?

Me? You're not gonna jump to conclusions on me, buddy. I'm all about the materialism I just think I should be able to survive on my own off of the gulags as well as having my mental health taken care of. You know, live in a system where the laborers that they exploit get to have enjoyable lives as well rather than over worked and over stressed hells by a system that doesn't really give a **** about you or what you put in while actively trying to keep you in the gulags.

I appreciate the lectures on accountability though.

how about just answer the question instead of deflecting

It's a simple question of logistics. The fact that you can't answer it is on you.

What goal? They dont have goals.. They just sit here complaining about stuff and how things should be with no consideration for how the world actually works or attempts to make change in the areas their societal positions allow them to affect. It's a dog and pony show... no better than our presidential candidates.

Honestly I think you're just too autistic to understand ennui or something.

If you haven’t read the Communist Manifesto he’s not deflecting. He’s giving you guidance so you can communicate as a peer with people who are educated on the matter. If you haven’t read Marx we can’t discuss Marxism.

TFW you discover JWB is a street version of DWV.

The question assumes I want communism. I can't answer a question assuming I want something that I don't.

But probably. I imagine a commune would work a lot differently from a communist government because scale and etc., but getting some sort of sample of what it'd be like couldn't hurt. Though, I don't think they can really cause any sort of change from inside a commune. If they want to change anything they have to play the capitalist game.

Because that's every conversation on MB.

You didn't.

You just have a doctrinaire and generic statement about global order etc

My question was basically about the pragmatic important of trying it on a small scale to learn more about the problems and challenges that will crop up. As well as whether it might be more likely to start on a smaller scale and expand than to be ushered in as a global system all at once.

I don't do **** I just complain. I'm mostly sick of trying.

I've read it. It was a while ago. Please cut the relevant passages that answer my question rather than directing me to go reread some boring Marxist tract.

cause we both believe in goals

How silly of us.

you should stop posturing. At this point I'm not even convinced you've read the book you told me to go read.

That's insulting.. jwb puts effort into his posts, i got bored of your virtue signaling well over a year ago.

So... we're supposed to wait and just let things happen or?

Fair enough at least you answered

I'm not convinced though... Other orders have always emerged gradually over time. The idea of the entire world going communist at once seems far fetched to me.

And Marx had some good points about capitalism but he was also wrong about some things. EG he said the rich would get richer and the poor poorer. Instead both are getting richer but the rich is getting richer faster.

Why not?

wait... Which virtue is he supposed to have lol

Nah, the cost of living is rising higher than the poor people's wages. There for, getting poorer.

Nah cause the price of various goods, especially in terms of technology, are getting way cheaper. So the overall standard of living is basically improving.

Wages have stagnated vs inflation etc in America recently.. but that's over the last few decades alone. In general, you're living way better than Marx ever did.

Better tools and advancements in technology doesn't mean I'm richer. I can't afford my own home, vehicle, bills and food if I was on my own. I know this. Even with the help I've gotten from living with friends, etc. I've had to save my money for months just to afford most of the tech I currently have.

100 years ago you might be in a bread line hoping not to starve.

those countries are just going under the basic process if industrialization, lol. The same process we went through 100+ years ago. They're richer for it and so are we. Basic things like running water, electricity, and food are a given. On top of that, the poor walk around with smart phones in their pockets more powerful than the best computer IBM could buy like 50 years ago.

Like I said, in general everyone is getting richer.

I keep telling you all to read Player Piano but no one does it

I ignore references to women reading to keep my blood pressure down.

That explains your softie