I thought it was weird he was having so much trouble in a liberal country like Sweden. Now it makes sense. That's the kind of pussy law they would support.

I think they're making an example out of him too though cause he's an American rapper and also I'm not sure if Trump's support will end up backfiring on him.

I usually don't feel bad for rappers that get themselves locked up but in this case it seems like such an easy mistake to make.

Norway but still when I saw how Varg lives (lived?) I was like sign me up. Better than UBI.

I'm not worried about his safety lol. Would just suck to be on top of the world as a famous rapper and then have to put your life on hold to go to prison, and then not even get any street cred for it cause it's swedish prison.

his name recognition is flying through the roof though

From what he reported it's actually pretty bad. He's been sleeping on a yoga mat and one of the prisoners had thrown **** on the ground or something and they've refused to clean it up.

dead @ yoga mat

Yeh that does sound like a swedish prison lmao

This reminds me of that Walgreens looting in philly

:rofl:

So much of the media has no restraint when it comes to descriptors.

The story could just as easily be framed as kids joke around with police during 100 degree heat wave. Credit to the cops though. Before Big Brother there would’ve been hella head bussin

:laughing:

Gotta love when elph's casual racism leaks out.

Hey guess what the comment section is like! You'll never guess!

^ As OH says, credit to the cops who endured this prank and didn't let it escalate.

It 's easy to laugh at the media's excess outrage over this incident, but I wouldn't recommend laughing too much: isn't there a worrying lack of gratitude going on? Those poor police guys got quite an aggressive dowsing, then one day later the police are coming to the rescue as life-or-death heroes:

Garlic Shooting: lone gunman kills three people, including a six-year-old. Within one minute, police have killed gunman.

If you want to have police around, as the garlic festival crowds presumably did, shouldn't you allow them to be around unharrassed, as the water-throwers didn't ?

Not gonna lie. If I need help I’m hitting 911. When you need the police you ain’t never been so damn glad to see someone roll up. If we don’t want to be policed we need to act right so we don’t need to be policed.

They're lucky they didn't get charged with assaulting an officer, obstruction of Justice, disorderly conduct, etc. The cops could've easily been dicks about it.

I think we're all missing the big picture here: **** a cop.

Three of them are up on charges from the footage.

**** the people who make cops necessary. #anarchofascism

oh, i didn't watch the whole video

Wamp wamp wamp

there will always be thieves and cut throats in this world. That's why the cops will always be necessary. #anarchyisgay

and there’s the rub #anarchofascism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhLd18Xg6x0

There's thieves and cut throats in every profession. Nothing will change that.

Sorry can't hear you over the boots being slobbered on.

^ Good point !

When I saw the video, one of the first things I thought was, How would I feel if that happened to me while I was doing my job? TBH, I'd feel a lot more aggrieved than those cops looked. Then, because DMcC's job is well-known here, I tried to imagine DMcC having buckets of water thrown over him at work and decided that it's more of an outrage for any other professional apart from policemen - as if they are somehow a legit target. That's weird imo.

As people are mentioning, there are thieves, cut throats and dick behaviour in all jobs. I once had a particularly acrimonious argument with an unbending bank manager and am wondering now if I should have gone the bucket of water route...

Slurp slurp boot

^how to devalue your own stance 101

What would you consider to be good reasoning for treating policemen differently from regular civilians? Many Americans despise police officers because a lot of laws that they're enforcing are unethical, plus it's far from uncommon for police stations and academies to train officers to enforce the law unequally.

But why

most of the cut throats aren't cops though

If there's no law there's nothing to disincentivize anyone from just killing you and taking your ****.

Personally I think the real answer is anarchowahhabism. That's the spontaneous and decentralized adherence of all people to Sharia law.

Just trust me on this one.

Are you asking me that question, Frownland? I'm puzzled because I'm suggesting they should be treated similarly to other regular professions.

^ Bold bit #1: strictly speaking, the police shouldn't be blamed for unethical laws as they are not the ones writing the laws. They can be blamed though, for over-zealous application of unethical laws, and of that, I'm sure they are frequently guilty.

Bold bit #2: I suspect that official training is to enforce laws equally. What happens in the informal work culture of a local police station may be very different of course. Probably lots of racism and corruption if American cop dramas on tv are any guide.

The notion that norms and incentives against things like murder can only exist w/in the context of the modern legal apparatus/policing is pretty anthropologically illiterate.

But the only examples of a complex society like our own working has always had the basic apparatus of the state as the Monopoly of force. This has always been true since the dawn of civilization. Because as soon as we developed the ability to create a surplus of goods, there were hordes of bandits looking to raid that surplus.

More primitive, stateless societies like tribes never exceed a certain size and they don't create the same kind of surplus or wealth.

Yes, and I was asking you that to see if there are any circumstances that would change that opinion.

"We were just following orders."

What makes you think that?

I also want to clarify that I'm only talking about American police.

^ I need to think about that


^ HaHa! This is a very good point too.

^ Isn't there something about "equality under the law" in the constitution? And if a law says for instance, "Stop a guy who's driving too fast" that would be the official training. If a policeman gets the message, "Stop a guy who's driving too fast, especially if he's black" I wouldn't call that training myself, I'd put that down to a culture of racism at a local level.

Actually I have to go out now, but will come back to your other points if I can think up some decent answers. ;)

Can't a girl hate cops in peace

It's something I try to ask myself to avoid becoming too dogmatic about any one stance.

Yes, that's covered under the 14th amendment. That said, most of the inequal laws are not explicitly unequally applied but are designed to have unequal outcomes. See: the drug war, softness towards Hell's Angels while being hard on Crips, border control, the list goes on. As far as training goes, the ways in which police are trained to identify criminal behaviour aligns with hierarchical norms that result in the targeting of minority communities.

Also, one thing that aligns a little more closely with the localized element that you mentioned is that we train our policemen to shoot to kill when they fear for their safety instead of deescalating the situation, and the application of that often aligns with aforementioned hierarchical norms. Then there's the undeniable disparity in accountability for police brutality based on who the victim is.

It's not as blatantly racist as the 3/5ths rule, but the inequality is certainly there. The subtlety is what's kept it in place for so long tbf. If you aren't super familiar with American police then it can seem silly but these mfs are sneaky.

Wait, don't you live in Mexico? How do you feel about the police there if you don't mind me asking?

Please do.

I don't even disagree way the police interact with communities is problematic and that there are basic structural problems with the current state of things, but...

I don't understand what that has to do with splashing water on cops, hating cops specifically, or fantasizing about a world without them. How exactly does any of this help the problems you identified?

My issue isn't fundamentally with specific examples of """problematic""" police treatment, that's just the nasty cherry on top.

@jwbs

Much like Antifa streetfighters, I think the water dousing is detrimental to solving the problem. As far as hating cops, I don't think that solves the problem outside of stigmatizing the profession to keep people from prolonging it, but that doesn't mean that it isn't justified.

As far as solving problems goes, I think that near-Draconian punishment of the abuse of power is the first step. There's the prospect of refining the law to be more just but I think you're only asking for realistic solutions so I won't waste your time with that.