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Lucem Ferre 04-24-2020 10:33 PM

He's jealous.

OccultHawk 04-24-2020 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2114539)
He's jealous.

I would be too if I were him and what went “down” with his girl

OccultHawk 04-24-2020 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2114542)
most likely to say "hold up, I got the change in the car"

I never met anyone who taught school that wasn’t racist af after a few years.

I mean even the black teachers hated the black kids. All of them.

OccultHawk 04-25-2020 12:12 AM

Don’t they have debit cards?

grindy 04-25-2020 01:31 AM

Its called food stamps.

OccultHawk 04-25-2020 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2114556)
Its called food stamps.

Oh SNAP

Psy-Fi 04-25-2020 08:21 AM

Judge clears Baltimore’s planned aerial surveillance test

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Under the six-month pilot program, up to three planes equipped with cameras will gather images of the city at a rate of one per second to help police investigate murders, nonfatal shootings, armed robberies and carjackings. Weather permitting, the aircraft will fly at least 40 hours a week and cover about 90 percent of the city.
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The technology was secretly tested in Baltimore in 2016. Residents and top city officials were unaware of the police-approved test until the media revealed it.
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The department and its contractor have said the cameras’ resolution will be limited to one pixel per person or vehicle, making each appear as single dots on the imagery. The resolution will not allow a person’s race, sex or clothing or a vehicle’s license plate, color, make and model to be determined.

The Batlord 04-25-2020 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2114556)
Its called food stamps.

Black dude tried to pay for his order with food stamps today. Gave us all a good laugh.

jwb 04-26-2020 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2114401)
well not every communist agrees with the model of a state transition stage

so what method do you believe in?

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and Catalonia didn't go that route when they had their brief but pretty cool anarcho socialist period
I don't think it's a coincidence that an anarchist experiment was quickly crushed wit j military force

That's pretty much the main reason I have no faith in anarchy.

WWWP 04-26-2020 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2114629)
Black dude tried to pay for his order with food stamps today. Gave us all a good laugh.

I don't believe you. Everyone who has been on foodstamps knows you cant buy hot food.

The Batlord 04-26-2020 01:56 PM

Literally the one time I've ever heard of it happening, which is why we laughed.

Frownland 04-26-2020 01:56 PM

Jack in the Box takes EBT in most of California.

WWWP 04-26-2020 01:59 PM

Wtf

I had no idea.
Google says BK does too.

The Batlord 04-26-2020 02:03 PM

Maybe we do but we certainly didn't think so and didn't allow it.

jwb 04-27-2020 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2114722)
the fact that it had to be crushed by force, and that the major countries on BOTH sides of WW2 viewed what was happening in Spain as an existential threat, is a testament to them really being onto something imo

I think they viewed the civil war in general as a potential flashpoint in ww2 not just that one small anarchist segment

As for had to be killed by force..
1) That would be a bit more convincing if they ruled over a sizable state for a substantial period of time... The fact that it didn't break down due to internal strife or mismanagement in the course of a couple years isn't really all that surprising.
2) If you rule out national security as a criteria of viability then you're missing a pretty vital part of the picture imo. Say what you will about the USSR but at the very least they weren't so blindly naive in this one regard.

Tldr they would've been onto something maybe if geopolitics didn't exist.

jwb 04-28-2020 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2114939)
yeah if the rest of the world is invested in your failure

lol.i just see this as naivety tbh. You don't need some global conspiracy against you, just ordinary geopolitical foes, which there always seem to be in abundance

In this case there was a civil war going on ffs... I think being able to defend yourself militarily (or having someone else who will do it for you) is always a must, but even more so in that specific context.

But we've sorta been over all this before.. you say the nation state has to disappear which means you are talking about a global yet decentralized order manifesting simultaneously...

I think once when we were talking about robots taking over you said "this isn't politics it's science fiction." To me that sci fi scenario is still way more likely, foreseeable, and even relevant than your scenario is.

The Batlord 04-28-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2115101)
idk if you're asking me about what is likely or what is right

I don't believe in these absolute statements about human nature, humans are complex, we're totally capable of being selfless as much as we're cruel and independent

I'd say the constant existence of empires and class systems speaks more to the cruel and complacent nature of humanity than it does the selfless and independent nature of humanity.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2020 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2115101)
idk if you're asking me about what is likely or what is right

I don't believe in these absolute statements about human nature, humans are complex, we're totally capable of being selfless as much as we're cruel

tribal as much as independent

superstitious as much as logical

romantic as much as cynical

peaceful as much as violent

Sure if you look at humans in total what you say is true.. but thats not the reality of our existence. Groups of violent people attack groups of peaceful people and the peaceful protest the violence. It doesnt matter that humans as a whole are capable of all these examples when they are not likely to exist in each individual.

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2020 07:09 PM

We are not special and will act like every other species driven by their biological desire to procreate which makes conflict inevitable. I can't imagine a justification for believing otherwise.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2115111)
I see some lady buy a homeless guy she's never met an entire pizza, and yet I'm supposed to believe there isn't something about the human spirit that's revolted by the suffering of strangers?

Anecdote?

DwnWthVwls 04-28-2020 07:19 PM

Sure I have but I didnt see them as a threat to my existence, beliefs, whatever other thing that makes people to terrible things to one another. That's not a good reason for "not believing in human nature".

The Batlord 04-28-2020 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2115106)
these are always systems where a small minority of selfish individuals exploit the rest of the population

but anyway, we cant assume that the structures of society are natural

in fact, it often seems like society is structured in such a way that would repress elements of our nature (if we assume such a thing exists in any absolute)

Bitch that **** doesn't exist without massive bureaucracies of complicit people who can't even be described as dupes, and massive populations who support the empire because they think it's not only in their best interest but moral and good for their country to own everything. The small minority might benefit the most, but the majority allows for it and cheerleads it.

Frownland 04-28-2020 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2115110)
I would say on an individual basis, most humans are more good than evil

Kinda, but it's this mindset that fosters "evil". I would say that humans are both. Some are lucky enough to develop the moral intelligence to recognize their capacity for "evil" to keep themselves from being "evil" using their sense of "good" as a justification for "evil", and some don't because of ignorance or an enabling environment or whathaveyou.

Frownland 04-29-2020 08:37 PM

My guess is that it's American equipment and they're confirming the video as a flex with free publicity from Tom DeLonge. Or it's one of them Chinamen planes.

Anteater 04-29-2020 09:06 PM

https://media.customon.com/unsafe/60...07fa03.png.jpg

Psy-Fi 05-02-2020 06:50 AM

Kim Jong Un may be holed up with his 2,000-woman ‘Pleasure Squad’ :pimp:

OccultHawk 05-02-2020 06:58 AM

Do we attach the word slave to any other specific kind of labor or just sex?

I know we say wage slaves but what why isn’t every other life destroying forced occupation besides sexual prostitution called out for what it is?

WWWP 05-02-2020 11:15 AM

Wow I bet you're the first person that has ever occurred to.

OccultHawk 05-02-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2115609)
Wow I bet you're the first person that has ever occurred to.

It’s so obvious when you’re pissed about something else.

WWWP 05-02-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2115616)
It’s so obvious when you’re pissed about something else.

I'm not pissed about anything.

I just cant help but poke fun at inflated egos.

The Batlord 05-02-2020 03:36 PM

If you're not pissed about something then you're probably white.

WWWP 05-02-2020 03:38 PM

I've decided to just stop caring about anything so you're right in the sense that it is because of my privilege that I can make that choice.

The Batlord 05-02-2020 03:41 PM

Unfortunately while my privilege allows for me to be complacent and mellow my personality disorder calls me to constant action.

WWWP 05-02-2020 04:54 PM

I take out my god complex on my sims versions of mb personalities.

jwb 05-03-2020 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2115568)
Do we attach the word slave to any other specific kind of labor or just sex?

I know we say wage slaves but what why isn’t every other life destroying forced occupation besides sexual prostitution called out for what it is?

Isn't that a bit like asking why we attach more significance to sexual harassment than we do to normal harassment? The sexual component just makes it seem extra degrading.

OccultHawk 05-03-2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2115733)
Isn't that a bit like asking why we attach more significance to sexual harassment than we do to normal harassment? The sexual component just makes it seem extra degrading.

I have asked that before. A person gets sexually harassed once and there’s huge sympathy. A person is worked to death and answers to every other beck and call of a rich person to the point of completely destroying their life, dignity, mental health, physical health and at the end of it dies totally broke and that’s just how things are. As if the rich aren’t totally getting their jollies having underlings serve them as slaves. In which case the exploited is supposedly lucky to have a job.

Like Kavanaugh’s bourgeois victim. Dry humped at 16 or whatever. Like that’s the atrocity in a country with millions of women within the “service” industry no vacation ever, no sick days, no chance at advancement. Completely ****ing destroyed and left to die.

OccultHawk 05-03-2020 07:42 AM

We don’t even consider completely destroying millions of lives “harassment” it’s just having a job.

jwb 05-03-2020 07:48 AM

Yes but whatever arguments you can make for general exploitation also apply to sex exploitation, with the additional sexual component making it even worse psychologically.

OccultHawk 05-03-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2115738)
Yes but whatever arguments you can make for general exploitation also apply to sex exploitation, with the additional sexual component making it even worse psychologically.

Yeah. You’re right. I just wish people could see that all abuse is wrong.

DwnWthVwls 05-03-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2115568)
Do we attach the word slave to any other specific kind of labor or just sex?

I know we say wage slaves but what why isn’t every other life destroying forced occupation besides sexual prostitution called out for what it is?

Prolly cause they arent forced into it and sex slaves are. Pretty insulting to even compare the life of a sex slave to the life of a ****ing american employee.


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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2115698)
I take out my god complex on my sims versions of mb personalities.

I bet you have me in a 1 tile room with walls and no door. You laugh whenever an emote begs for some basic human need.

OccultHawk 05-03-2020 09:31 AM

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Prolly cause they arent forced into it and sex slaves are. Pretty insulting to even compare the life of a sex slave to the life of a ****ing american employee.
You absolutely are forced into it. There’s no opting out of capitalism. A life ruined is a life ruined.


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