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adidasss

03-14-2021 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2166106)

Are we shocked that adidasss doesn't get racism?

Oh I think I get racism quite well, I live in a country that is constitutionally racist, where political parties are segregated based on race, where schools are segregated based on race, where race matters in employment etc. So I am acutely aware of it on a daily basis. It's just a little more difficult to transpose this idea to discrimination among and against white Western Europeans.

But I am willing to learn...:)

The Batlord

03-14-2021 05:32 AM

That's adorable that you don't get that whiteness is a spectrum.

adidasss

03-14-2021 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2166110)

That's adorable that you don't get that whiteness is a spectrum.

Really, you think that I, as a white Eastern European, don't understand there is discrimination among white people? :rolleyes:

But what we're talking about here is apparent discrimination among North and South Western Europeans. That's a little different. In my mind, absolutely based on the much smaller wealth disparity between the two, unlike between the East and the West.

Marie Monday

03-14-2021 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2166107)

The height of "discrimination" of North against the South in Europe is that maybe some Northern Europeans are a little snooty and think they're better than everyone else (because they're richer I guess). I haven't heard of anyone actually disliking and discriminating against Southern Europeans in any serious way, and I especially can't imagine this being applied to Spain. Unless you have a different experience, in which case I'd be curious to know how this discrimination is exhibited.

On the other hand there are far more examples of Northern Europeans liking and enjoying the South (check out all the chartered flights to Spain and Italy).

Also, I do believe a lot of discrimination and prejudice stems from the wealth disparity. In the States, people are prejudiced against poor latinos, not so much for their skin colour but the fact that they're poor and trying to take their jobs. Same in Europe, discrimination of the West against the East isn't about skin colour, it's about rich vs. poor.

Urm, among people of the same race and similar culture (say, white Europeans, which is what we're talking about here), I think that's entirely possible?

But I have limited experience with Nothern Europe, maybe there are deep prejudices against Southern Europeans I'm not aware of. Again, not sure how this would be exhibited.

There's a pretty common right wing idea in northern Europe that southern Europeans are lazy garlic eating people who leech off north European money in the EU. Its very naive to think that people can't enjoy a place while being racist towards its inhabitants at the same time.
Of course I realise wealth disparity plays a role in racism, but it's not the entire picture. The fundament behind racism is a hatred of things that are different from you. Take Jewish people, who weren't poorer than other ethnic groups in Europe but were discriminated horribly. If all Latinos become rich, racism isn't solved. It's also the other way around: history of racism has led to wealth disparity which further reinforces racism.

adidasss

03-14-2021 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2166112)

There's a pretty common right wing idea in northern Europe that southern Europeans are lazy garlic eating people who leech off north European money in the EU.

Quote:

Its very naive to think that people can't enjoy a place while being racist towards its inhabitants at the same time.

Sure, some people may travel to places whose inhabitants they dislike, but I would say most people travel to Southern Europe and especially Spain not just for the sunshine and the beaches but for the culture and the people.

Quote:

Of course I realise wealth disparity plays a role in racism, but it's not the entire picture. The fundament behind racism is a hatred of things that are different from you. Take Jewish people, who weren't poorer than other ethnic groups in Europe but were discriminated horribly. If all Latinos become rich, racism isn't solved. It's also the other way around: history of racism has led to wealth disparity which further reinforces racism.

Yup, absolutely aware of that. But our discussion is limited to West North vs. West South of Europe, which have very similar culture (in a global context), Christian, predominantly white etc. Your statement above basically confirms that the main reason for discrimination towards the South by the North is economic.

Same issue exists on a more regional basis, inside Spain, Italy, even Croatia, the developed north discriminates against and looks down on the less developed south.

But coming back to the original point, OH, who is Irish and not British, was not discriminating against the Spanish and this is not a common thing in Europe. In my opinion and personal experience. Certainly not anything comparable to the racism Latinos experience in the U.S., which I think is what Charles thinks is happening. Spaniards=/=Latinos.

Frownland

03-14-2021 07:27 AM

Damn Croats are dumb. And here I thought you were one of the good ones!

adidasss

03-14-2021 07:32 AM

We dumb and poor! And lazy, according to North Europe...:laughing:

Raime

03-14-2021 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2166118)

Damn Croats are dumb. And here I thought you were one of the good ones!

At least he's not one of them genocidal Serbs. (Really the only thing I know about Serbians comes from their actions in the war.)

Frownland

03-14-2021 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2166120)

We dumb and poor! And lazy, according to North Europe...:laughing:

I am an american, don't project your poor people problems onto me.

The Batlord

03-14-2021 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2166118)

Damn Croats are dumb. And here I thought you were one of the good ones!

It's why he's so money crazy. Doesn't want the Queen of England calling him a dirty Slav.

adidasss

03-14-2021 09:33 AM

That's accurate! I was gonna marry a Spaniard to move up in the world but now it turns out he's just another dirty southerner! Gonna have to rethink my strategy. Dumb Slav. :(

The Batlord

03-14-2021 09:38 AM

I think it is a step up for fascists tbh.

Marie Monday

03-14-2021 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2166116)

Ok, sure, and if you'd have formulated your original statement to say "some right wing Northern European nutters discriminate against Southern Europeans", I wouldn't have objected, otherwise it seemed you were saying most Northern Europeans discriminate against Southern Europeans or that such discrimination or attitude is widespread which I think isn't the case.

Sure, some people may travel to places whose inhabitants they dislike, but I would say most people travel to Southern Europe and especially Spain not just for the sunshine and the beaches but for the culture and the people.

Yup, absolutely aware of that. But our discussion is limited to West North vs. West South of Europe, which have very similar culture (in a global context), Christian, predominantly white etc. Your statement above basically confirms that the main reason for discrimination towards the South by the North is economic.

Same issue exists on a more regional basis, inside Spain, Italy, even Croatia, the developed north discriminates against and looks down on the less developed south.

But coming back to the original point, OH, who is Irish and not British, was not discriminating against the Spanish and this is not a common thing in Europe. In my opinion and personal experience. Certainly not anything comparable to the racism Latinos experience in the U.S., which I think is what Charles thinks is happening. Spaniards=/=Latinos.

The discrimination against Southern Europe that I described is just as widespread as the more severe kinds of racism. I agree that it's not camparable to what Latinos have to deal with though, and that in this case the origin is strongly economic.

jwb	03-14-2021 11:33 AM

I have relatives on my italian side that are among the most racist people in my family... Probably self conscious about that slight amount of Moor blood in their veins.

Trollheart

03-14-2021 11:41 AM

I'm no expert, but here I have never heard anyone complain about Spaniards. In summer (well, before Covid) we get thousands of Spanish students coming over on exchange trips and holidays. They're usually loud, hyper and very polite, and the women - ooh momma! They tend to fill up the buses - like maybe forty of them get on at one stop - and we grumble about that, but otherwise we have no beef with them. I've never seen an Irish person frown at a jabbering, excitable Spanish girl or boy. They always seem to be welcome here.

And yes, as adiddas said, I only used the name Jose to show the sub was Spanish, which it was. No racism intended, despite the fact that Batty will insist I am racist, which is in itself racist. Had it been a German sub I would have said Fritz or Wolf or something, Irish it would have been Paddy or Mick etc etc. The point was, they were high. This is not a state of being exclusive to any country, culture, race or creed or gender.

jwb	03-14-2021 11:46 AM

What name would you have used if they were black?

The Batlord

03-14-2021 12:10 PM

Sambo presumably.

Trollheart

03-14-2021 03:52 PM

I probably would have said "brother" or "nigga", since they'd be talking to each other. Wow you guys really know how to micro-manage and tear apart a humorous post, dont'cha? :rolleyes:

The Batlord

03-14-2021 04:28 PM

Lololol

jwb	03-14-2021 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2166162)

I probably would have said "brother" or "nigga", since they'd be talking to each other. Wow you guys really know how to micro-manage and tear apart a humorous post, dont'cha? :rolleyes:

I don't think you're racist th I'm just having fun at your expense. What would you say if they were Jewish?

The Batlord

03-14-2021 06:05 PM

Gas them!

Trollheart

03-14-2021 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2166164)

I don't think you're racist th I'm just having fun at your expense. What would you say if they were Jewish?

Probably "get a mini submarine, he says. We'll be rich, he says. Oy vey! I shoulda listened to my mother. When are you gonna marry a nice doctor or something?"

Shrug. I don't know any Jewish names, besides it wouldn't matter. As you - or someone - said, it wasn't about the race it was the nationality. The joke, such as it was, would have worked equally with or without the Spanish name.

Roll on summer! :D
http://kildare.ie/newsimages/spanish-students.jpg

Eleanor Rigby 14

03-15-2021 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2166141)

In summer (well, before Covid) we get thousands of Spanish students coming over on exchange trips and holidays.

Lol, last year we also had to go to Ireland and stay there for 8 days. But not in a big city like Dublin. We were going to stay in Bray, I think. Unfortunately COVID spoiled everything.

The Batlord

03-15-2021 06:20 AM

Were you a jabbering hoard overflowing the buses?

Eleanor Rigby 14

03-15-2021 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2166214)

We're you a jabbering hoard overflowing the buses?

well...:rolleyes:

Trollheart

03-15-2021 01:11 PM

Next time you're heading my way let me know and I'll make sure to... avoid you. :laughing:

Eleanor Rigby 14

03-15-2021 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2166273)

Next time you're heading my way let me know and I'll make sure to... avoid you. :laughing:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Trollheart

03-15-2021 05:59 PM

If you were older I'd say I'd love to meet up, but a 14-year old Spanish girl and a 58-year old Irish guy? You don't need your maths thread to work out the equation there, and it certainly ends with me squirming very uncomfortably in a police station... :laughing:

Cop 1: "So, you KNEW she was 14, huh?"
Me: "Um, yeah..."
Cop 1: "And you posed as a 14-year old?"
Me: "No, I didn't. She knew I was 58."
Cop 2: "And you were going to talk to her about MUSIC?"
Me: "Yeah."
Cop 1: "You expect us to believe that?"
Cop 2: "You disgust me."
Cop 3: "Anyone want coffee?"
Cops 1 and 2: "NO! GTFO!"
Cop 1: "Now, where were we?"
Me: "Look, she just asked about music recommendations on this site..."
Cop 2: "Music eh?"
Cop 1: "Bet you thought you'd make sweet music with her eh?"
Me: "No. I just wanted to see her. And then there was this maths thing..."
Cop 2: "Maths?!! My father was shot by a maths teacher!"
Cop 1: "You're going DOWN, scumbag!"

Yeah, just not worth it. Send me a postcard maybe. Much safer.
:shycouch:

The Batlord

03-15-2021 06:01 PM

Lol oh jeez.

jwb	03-16-2021 01:20 AM

lmao

adidasss

03-16-2021 02:16 AM

'Music is my life': ban on schoolgirls singing in Afghanistan met with protest

Imagine the misfortune of being born a woman in Afghanistan.

Trollheart

03-16-2021 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2166371)

'Music is my life': ban on schoolgirls singing in Afghanistan met with protest

Imagine the misfortune of being born a woman in Afghanistan.

Have you ever seen the series The State? ****ing chilling. The amount of things they're not allowed to do. Woman is washing dishes and humming and more experienced, older woman rushes in "No! No singing! Not allowed!" Jesus. Hardline Islam must be the dreariest, least enjoyable religion in the world.

adidasss

03-16-2021 05:34 AM

Regular Islam doesn't seem very joyful either, they can't eat pork or pet dogs. Forget about alcohol or drugs of course.

Frownland

03-16-2021 07:28 AM

I don't eat pet dogs either, to be fair.

adidasss

03-16-2021 07:33 AM

You're missing out.

SGR	03-16-2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2166382)

You're missing out.

https://i.redd.it/507womtbdo1z.jpg

jwb	03-16-2021 08:10 AM

Well you're allowed to have 4 wives and women can't drive so it's not all bad yuk yuk yuk

Eleanor Rigby 14

03-16-2021 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2166338)

If you were older I'd say I'd love to meet up, but a 14-year old Spanish girl and a 58-year old Irish guy? You don't need your maths thread to work out the equation there, and it certainly ends with me squirming very uncomfortably in a police station... :laughing:

Cop 1: "So, you KNEW she was 14, huh?"
Me: "Um, yeah..."
Cop 1: "And you posed as a 14-year old?"
Me: "No, I didn't. She knew I was 58."
Cop 2: "And you were going to talk to her about MUSIC?"
Me: "Yeah."
Cop 1: "You expect us to believe that?"
Cop 2: "You disgust me."
Cop 3: "Anyone want coffee?"
Cops 1 and 2: "NO! GTFO!"
Cop 1: "Now, where were we?"
Me: "Look, she just asked about music recommendations on this site..."
Cop 2: "Music eh?"
Cop 1: "Bet you thought you'd make sweet music with her eh?"
Me: "No. I just wanted to see her. And then there was this maths thing..."
Cop 2: "Maths?!! My father was shot by a maths teacher!"
Cop 1: "You're going DOWN, scumbag!"

Yeah, just not worth it. Send me a postcard maybe. Much safer.
:shycouch:

LMFAO :laughing:

Frownland

03-22-2021 11:02 AM

Pittsburgh area police officers posts to private Facebook group show hostility, hate

https://www.kob.com/apimages/ap96260...9e8ea2b006.jpg

The mask really brings out his thumbfulness.