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Old 10-09-2017, 11:19 AM   #7311 (permalink)
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^ Haha, yes. It's much more comfortable to talk about Trump's latest tweet!
As I see it, the big stumbling block about dealing with gerrymandering is the difficulty of defining what a fair division of constituencies is. Until you have that yardstick fixed and agreed, it's gonna be impossible to decide what are fair and unfair divisions. (If I have the time or patience, I might look at what they do in Europe, where it is not a problem afaik, though don't hold your breath on that one.)
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And on that issue of the weighting to low-population states, I read that the equivalency is about 3 urban coastal votes = 1 agricultural hinterland vote. Not the intention behind "One man, one vote" I'm sure!
That may be true of the electoral college—and that's bad enough—but it's actually far, far worse in the Senate. Each state gets two senators regardless of size so the 600,000 people in Wyoming collectively have just as much say as the 40,000,000 people in California. Unless my math is wrong, that mean an individual voter in Wyoming has almost 80 times the voice in the US Senate than an individual voter in California.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:20 AM   #7312 (permalink)
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:22 AM   #7313 (permalink)
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Whenever I hear the word gerrymander I always imagine a salamander called Gerry.
That is exactly the origin of the word actually. It's named after Governor Elbridge Gerry, who became infamous for creating a voting district that was shaped like a salamander.

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Old 10-09-2017, 11:41 AM   #7314 (permalink)
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That may be true of the electoral college—and that's bad enough—but it's actually far, far worse in the Senate. Each state gets two senators regardless of size so the 600,000 people in Wyoming collectively have just as much say as the 40,000,000 people in California. Unless my math is wrong, that mean an individual voter in Wyoming has almost 80 times the voice in the US Senate than an individual voter in California.
I guess I'll be the predictable one and mention the House of Representatives.

Not to mention senators don't represent their constituents in any state. Voters in Wyoming and California have exactly the same voice. None. That's why we shouldn't vote. Don't voluntarily actively participate in a lie that reinforces your own oppression.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:51 AM   #7315 (permalink)
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I guess I'll be the predictable one and mention the House of Representatives.
It was already part of the conversation since we were talking about gerrymandering, but go ahead.

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Not to mention senators don't represent their constituents in any state. Voters in Wyoming and California have exactly the same voice. None. That's why we shouldn't vote. Don't voluntarily actively participate in a lie that reinforces your own oppression.
While I understand the cynicism, I don't think throwing up your hands in resignation is the best approach.
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Old 10-09-2017, 12:02 PM   #7316 (permalink)
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^ Yep, the whole stunt was a disgraceful waste of taxpayers' money, prob to deflect people's attention from what's really being worked out by the Trump admin, e.g. the surreptitious sabotaging of Obamacare, the review of gerrymandering, the absense of any plan apart from bluster regarding NKorea, etc.



Oddly enough, that's exactly where the word comes from; Gerry Whoknows, an American polititian, carved out a constituency the shape of a salamander to maximise the effect of his supporters.
Yes, what with Jerries=Huns, jerry-building, gerrymandering and jerry-rigging, people called Jerry probably feel unfairly put upon. For different reasons, people called "Willie,""Dick" or "Fanny" might feel aggrieved too.
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That is exactly the origin of the word actually. It's named after Governor Elbridge Gerry, who became infamous for creating a voting district that was shaped like a salamander.

That's just amazing. When a lot younger I wrote some sort of fantasy story in which I had a creature called a gerrymander. Must have heard the phrase somewhere as a kid. Damn salamanders: always turning the heat up!
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While I understand the cynicism, I don't think throwing up your hands in resignation is the best approach.
It's not resignation. Voting is actually harmful.
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It's not resignation. Voting is actually harmful.
I vote that it isn't.
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The vote is a hard-won victory over autocracy. However unfair the voting system may be, I think it's important to exercise that right and keep it alive.
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It's not resignation. Voting is actually harmful.
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