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Old 06-04-2018, 08:47 AM   #12311 (permalink)
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As to the question, are Christians atheist? Well, here's one. I mean, the thing is, all my family were baptised, and when you're a baby you neither have the experience nor the ability to resist. I am a Christian, by definition, and a Roman Catholic by upbringing, but I don't believe in God. Or god. Whatever. I kind of wish He was real, as I'd love to think there's something to look forward to at the end of all this, but I really really doubt it.

At the same time, I'm not so arrogant as to believe that I know everything and can definitely say with total conviction that there is no God. What do I know? Maybe we're all the dream of some frustrated poster on a forum in an alternative universe. Or maybe we're smaller than ants and just think we're a dominant species. Or maybe none of us exist and we're all characters in a play. The point is, there is no way to empirically prove anything about what happens after death, not until someone comes back and gives us the skinny.

But personally, as I say: Christian, Catholic and also atheist.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:52 AM   #12312 (permalink)
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You can identity as a Christian and be atheist.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:53 AM   #12313 (permalink)
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As to the question, are Christians atheist? Well, here's one. I mean, the thing is, all my family were baptised, and when you're a baby you neither have the experience nor the ability to resist. I am a Christian, by definition, and a Roman Catholic by upbringing, but I don't believe in God. Or god. Whatever. I kind of wish He was real, as I'd love to think there's something to look forward to at the end of all this, but I really really doubt it.
Unless you're currently practicing, you're neither a Christian nor a Catholic. Saying that you were raised as such is fine, but if you're an atheist, that makes you an apostate.

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At the same time, I'm not so arrogant as to believe that I know everything and can definitely say with total conviction that there is no God. What do I know? Maybe we're all the dream of some frustrated poster on a forum in an alternative universe. Or maybe we're smaller than ants and just think we're a dominant species. Or maybe none of us exist and we're all characters in a play. The point is, there is no way to empirically prove anything about what happens after death, not until someone comes back and gives us the skinny.
It's a pretty old discussion that I bet we've both had several times, but atheism is the less arrogant choice of the two if you're going off of evidence alone. Most notions of a god don't restrict it to the afterlife, either.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:20 AM   #12314 (permalink)
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I don't identify as a Christian, I just am one. Not by choice.
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Unless you're currently practicing, you're neither a Christian nor a Catholic. Saying that you were raised as such is fine, but if you're an atheist, that makes you an apostate.
I pretty much stopped going to mass once I realised I could (and my mother was surprisingly understanding about it, though I always feel she was more than a little disappointed I took that stance) and though I like to think that both she and my aunt are now in a better place, when I visit her grave I do so for Karen: I personally get nothing out of it spiritually.

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It's a pretty old discussion that I bet we've both had several times, but atheism is the less arrogant choice of the two if you're going off of evidence alone. Most notions of a god don't restrict it to the afterlife, either.
Maybe I'm just keeping my options open. As Ben Elton says, I keep just a tiny bit of belief there just in case ... (hammering at the gates) "Let me in you bastards! I believe!"

I once wrote a story, based off a dream I had, called "Beggar at the Gates", where I died and was not let into Heaven cos I didn't believe. My mother was trying to intercede with God, who said I could come in if I believed. But I saw nothing in front of me (you only see Heaven if you Believe, apparently) and refused. What a bastard, that God, huh?
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:25 AM   #12315 (permalink)
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Oh, so you believe in Christ. Should've just come out and said it.
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Iím a total non-believer but my hostility is on the wane. If you need a little religion to make it through the next 24 do what you gotta do. Sometimes I wish I could believe.
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I read (or heard) that a lot of Europeans donít consider the belief that important. Itís more of a cultural identity or just something they believe in when itís convenient. They donít like having their beliefs pinned down like us Muricans.
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