Music Banter - The Wow I Can't Believe That News Story Thread

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[MERIT]

01-02-2018 05:48 PM

Okay guys, we can do hypothetical scenarios out the wazoo, but we're getting nowhere. We can either agree to disagree that you are not entitled to the labor of another person against their will, or we can keep arguing. You're coming at it from a gender/sex rights POV and I'm coming from a basic civil liberties view.

I can bottom line this. THE BAKERY WAS WRONG FOR DENYING THE GAY COUPLE A WEDDING CAKE. But, it should be the bakery's right to make the call.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[MERIT]

01-02-2018 05:49 PM

What if someone shoplifts from your store? Do you have the right to deny them entry henceforth?

Frownland

01-02-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1910620)

You're coming at it from a gender/sex rights POV and I'm coming from a basic civil liberties view.

The fact that you think this stance can only be held because someone supports LGBT rights only reveals how you formed your own opinion on the subject. My stance extends to everyone because that's how equal rights work, don't dismiss that because I also support LGBT rights.

Frownland

01-02-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1910622)

What if someone shoplifts from your store? Do you have the right to deny them entry henceforth?

Yep. That would be denial based on someone's actions so it's not discrimination. How is that at all similar?

[MERIT]

01-02-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1910623)

Well, the case is fucked up all around. It entails the federal government FORCING a citizen to perform labor AGAINST THEIR WILL AND AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. We've got Fascism, Religion, Personal Liberties. All kinds of ethos in the mix.

[MERIT]

01-02-2018 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1910624)

Yep. That would be denial based on someone's actions so it's not discrimination. How is that at all similar?

Having gay sex is an action. The bakers don't condone it.

Frownland

01-02-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1910626)

It entails the federal government FORCING a citizen to perform labor AGAINST THEIR WILL AND AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Offering your services to the public is a demonstration of your will to complete that service.

As per religious beliefs: those are respected until they affect the rights of others. As previously established, abridging privileges is the same as denying rights, so if your religious beliefs get in the way of someone else's rights as discussed in this scenario, then you do not have the right to own a business. Separate is inherently unequal.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1910628)

Having gay sex is an action. The bakers don't condone it.

You don't have to have sex to be gay. New rule: no more false equivalencies. Guess we gotta end it here for you huh.

[MERIT]

01-02-2018 06:22 PM

No one is getting their point across, so let's just AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON.

[MERIT]

01-02-2018 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1910635)

if the "whole point" is that you could shop elsewhere

then where is there room for this "nobody is entitled to your labor" nonesense, basically