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Old 08-06-2008, 07:15 PM   #71 (permalink)
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JJ has oft expressed his distaste for people that cry "racism" in the face of genuine social problems. I don't think it's our business to try and persuade him that there's some lingering racial issues in America. There will always be cynics in the world that hear nothing but bullshit when people present bona-fide problems that need to be addressed. I regret that he cannot come to terms regarding this particular issue, but I can't resent him for inheriting the cynicism of a lifetime.
First and foremost to all, I appreciate and enjoy the discussion. It's important to have dialog about issues like this.

Moving on. Lucy Sam:

While I appreciate your thoughtfulness, I think my viewpoint has been misrepresented. I never said racism does not exist, i stated America is the least racist country in the world and that a lot of people are quick to cry racism without really looking into it.

Racism is not a problem that needs to be addressed publicly in America. Only privately. All these cries of racism create disdain and keep barriers up between the races.

Anyone who argues with this is wrong, plain and simple. If you think America is a racist country, you're wrong. It's not open for debate, I have 35+ years of life experience all across this country to say that with great conviction. Ask yourself "how many people do I know that are truly racist. That truly base their treatment of other human beings based on their skin color.

Compare that to your grandparents or for some even your parents generation.

This thread illustrates my point. I can even suggest people are not racist without having someone far less experienced or read on the subject tell me how wrong I am and never cite a single real life example of racism.

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Old 08-06-2008, 11:31 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Question One: Because there has never been one. Same reason we ask if we are ready for a female president. Has nothing to do with race.
Don't you think the following questions are by far more important: Are we ready for a stupid present? Are we ready for a president with a terrible medical history, showing some signs of memory loss and isn't too far from death? Call me oldist, but McCain isn't a young buck anymore and Bush wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:33 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Old 08-07-2008, 12:19 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Don't you think the following questions are by far more important: Are we ready for a stupid present? Are we ready for a president with a terrible medical history, showing some signs of memory loss and isn't too far from death? Call me oldist, but McCain isn't a young buck anymore and Bush wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.
I think both of those questions have been asked several times and yes intellect and health are much more important qualities in a president then race or gender.

However the US has had stupid presidents and has had sickly presidents. FDR's last two terms he was just waiting to die and Hell W.H. Harrison died weeks into office. All I am saying is that I think it's the fact that it's new that interests people, not the fact that it's a black or female candidate.
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Old 08-07-2008, 10:58 AM   #75 (permalink)
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First and foremost to all, I appreciate and enjoy the discussion. It's important to have dialog about issues like this.

Moving on. Lucy Sam:

While I appreciate your thoughtfulness, I think my viewpoint has been misrepresented. I never said racism does not exist, i stated America is the least racist country in the world and that a lot of people are quick to cry racism without really looking into it.

Racism is not a problem that needs to be addressed publicly in America. Only privately. All these cries of racism create disdain and keep barriers up between the races.

Anyone who argues with this is wrong, plain and simple. If you think America is a racist country, you're wrong. It's not open for debate, I have 35+ years of life experience all across this country to say that with great conviction. Ask yourself "how many people do I know that are truly racist. That truly base their treatment of other human beings based on their skin color.

Compare that to your grandparents or for some even your parents generation.

This thread illustrates my point. I can even suggest people are not racist without having someone far less experienced or read on the subject tell me how wrong I am and never cite a single real life example of racism.

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I don't think the point was that America is a racist country, or that the majority of the people are racists. Just that it's still a problem that is too common, and still needs to be recognized.

I still disagree abut America being the least racist. I haven't travelled everywhere, but iceland seemed pretty chill.
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Old 08-07-2008, 11:03 AM   #76 (permalink)
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While I appreciate your thoughtfulness, I think my viewpoint has been misrepresented. I never said racism does not exist, i stated America is the least racist country in the world and that a lot of people are quick to cry racism without really looking into it.
Which is a completely ridiculous statement to make. How is America the "least racist country in the world"?

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Racism is not a problem that needs to be addressed publicly in America. Only privately. All these cries of racism create disdain and keep barriers up between the races.
That's a great way of dealing with a social problem, addressing them as individuals and not as a society. If that were the case the civil rights movement or any other social movement would have never happened.

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Anyone who argues with this is wrong, plain and simple. If you think America is a racist country, you're wrong. It's not open for debate, I have 35+ years of life experience all across this country to say that with great conviction. Ask yourself "how many people do I know that are truly racist. That truly base their treatment of other human beings based on their skin color.
Just because you've lived here for 35 years, and, judging, by your posts, not exactly all across the country, doesn't make you an expert on the subject. It just means you've lived here for a long time.

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Compare that to your grandparents or for some even your parents generation.
It's a problem that's gotten better, but it's still a problem.

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This thread illustrates my point. I can even suggest people are not racist without having someone far less experienced or read on the subject tell me how wrong I am and never cite a single real life example of racism.
I may apparently not be as "experienced" with racism (???), but I've cited a fairly large example of it. It's completely naive for you to say that racism has nothing to do with the treatment of hispanics here in Southern California, but since you admitted that "there is no tension between blacks and Hispanic's where I live then any other two races" you wouldn't know that.
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Old 08-07-2008, 04:02 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I would like to have a instant message discussion about this topic sometime with you.

I feel very strongly about my opinion as you seem to also. Still I would really like to better understand your personal perspective and how you relate it to the country at large.

It's not that I don't see your point, I just don't understand how they over shadow everything I see in your mind. Anyway let me know if your game.
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Old 08-22-2008, 04:18 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Don't you think the following questions are by far more important: Are we ready for a stupid present?
I think the double election of good ol' Dubyuh has already answered that question with a resounding "yes".
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Old 08-24-2008, 01:19 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I don't agree with racism, but in some respects, I understand it. Over here in Birmingham there is quite a big underlying 'race war' because we are such a multi-cultural society with differing opinions etc, but it's not just white people who are to blame. It truly is a case of the authorities making a set of rules for one, and then making a different set for another.

For example, a few months back there was an event going on at a mosque near the town centre. The people attending the event were obstructing traffic and cars were parked alongside a main road, which was completely illegal. There were even cars parked on a roundabout that was in the centre of a junction.

My mom's friend was annoyed by this because it took her hours to get home from work because of it, so out of anger she phoned the police station when she got back to complain about it. She rightly said to the woman on the other end of the phone that the cars illegally parked by the mosque were causing an obstruction and creating massive delays. The womans response was 'oh yeah, it's diwali isn't it?' and no further action was taken.

My point is, had this been an event at a church, action would have been taken instantly. It just seems like, to me at least, the authorities will not pipe up against racial minorities because everyone is far too quick to cry racism. This isn't necessarily the problem of the racial minorities, it simply is just the goverment being completely lenient with them.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:49 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Often times people develop bad feelings due to generalizations of race. This will sound awful but, when a dog mauls you, it's not something you forget. It doesn't mean all dogs are bad, but it will always be in the back of your mind no matter how many nice dogs you play with. First impressions can mean to world to people and often those first impressions are made from outside appearances. If you hear how a hobo assaulted someone, you are going to be wary of beggars as you cross them in the city.
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