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You are ignoring the obvious message that Jesus tried to put forth, and that is a message of self-sacrifice to God, and secondly to others. He died for that message and people celebrate that. That is what Easter celebrates. The resurrection only serves as a symbol that God is all powerful. Since he is all powerful, you should obey him. Have you even looked at the early church at all? Jesus was warning them of the up and coming martyrdom that would plague them until they deserted their position as the persecuted to become exactly what God did not want them to be, the persecutor. Slaves, obey your masters because it is your duty to God. Same with women and their husbands. Quote:
First, martyrs want to die because it is their duty to God to do so. Even though their life would be better lived, they do it anyways because it is what God wants. They aren't (theoretically) doing it because they want to die. They are doing it for God. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly with that. It is still self-sacrifice in the way I described it. It is still the neglect of one's own self-interest. In reality, though, many Christians are looking for an escape route for their discontentment with life. They acknowledge that one has to run away from the black hole that modern existentialism is present in. They acknowledge that there really is no meaning to life on this earth unless you abandon reality and substitute it with a faith-based perception. Some martyrs act with the disinterest that you talk of, most martyrs act with self-hatred. Either way, they do not take an interest in themselves, which is exactly what they should be taking interest in. |
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There was nothing in what I said that was an attack, I was telling you what I thought about martyrdom. I thought if I did that you would respond and maybe I would get a better picture of what you were saying. I was only a little confused about your attitude behind what you saying. I guess they're linked together imho, "to sacrifice their lives" & "self-sacrifice" plus in the context of what was said they were two example of the way you say things about Christianity that leave guessing. And anyway phrases like "to sacrifice their lives" & "self-sacrifice" aren't exclusively Christian, a journalist or historian can say those words about anybody eg a soldier. Quote:
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What greater good in saving his fellow ..?
Do you have any idea how stupid the whole soldier thing sounds? The soldier goes to war on behalf of his country (his "leaders") and wages war for his "masters" ends and you say there's greater good in this? What great good is there in the suppressing of weak countries ? |
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Hi there,
Just came across this thread so I have not had time to wade through the whole 50 odd pages so here's my simple, (and to me anyway), satisfactory explanation: 'GOD' in one form or another must be around otherwise this thread would not be here in the first place. For me, 'GOD' is the word we use to fill the huge void that none of us are really big enough to fully understand. 'GOD' is the energy, the potential for life in it's many forms that as always been and always will be. There as never been a time when this potential did not exist and there will never be a time when it does not exist. Being able to truly accept that is the hardest, but most important thing. Our time here is just way smaller and shorter than the piddliest tiny thing you can imagine compared to what is behind us and what is in front of us both in space and time. I would say I'm a spiritual person who appreciates my time here on this Earth and yes, I do believe in what we seem to call 'GOD'. However, my own feelings and experience tell me that 'GOD' is not a being but is in fact everything. We are part of this and because we have brains we tend to think 'GOD' is like us.. -Typical ! The truth is, man kind is not prepared to take on the responsibility and so we created something, a father figure to take all that away. Just part of the human nature I guess. Wow, it must be Friday! Have a great weekend ya,ll. Peace and love to almost everyone.. just joking,-everyone then. Gordon. |
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Yes, killing is wrong, but until the human race becomes entirely pacifist, which is to say inhuman, its best not to worry about "the greater good", because chances are you don't understand exactly what is behind the fighting. |
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I understand that self-sacrifice is preached beyond Christianity, which is why I don't consider Christianity to be the root of evil or anything. Either way, it still preaches self-sacrifice. Quote:
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My issue with religion is that it requires you to follow blindly without questioning anything. Just have "faith" and then listen to a man in a robe talk at you about it.. and then leave a tip in a small basket. Do it for Jesus
Well that's my 2 cents, have a good day. |
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