Maccabbe

Without a question or doubt, I completely believe in the existence of God.

Now I have arrived at this conclusion after been exposed to information that many people all around the world were not exposed to. Many unfortunately were exposed to scientific theories that try to deny his existence, and they have bought into the Darwinian idea that somehow we humans and everything that we see around us, were sprung up out of utter emptiness and for no purpose. The greatest devastating idea in the world is that Great things have no real ultimate value, and therefore everything is eventually meaningless.

I refuse to see my existence in this world as a meaningless phenomenon, were I live a certain frame of time in this universe, and then I return to the elements that my physical body is made of. I feel within myself something that is not only physical, but completely spiritual. Animals on the other hand, never have these kinds of thoughts. They don't contemplate about spiritual things, they don’t search for meaning, spiritual fulfillment or spiritual enjoyment, what drives them is their physical bodily instincts that are aimed at one thing, survival.

Humans are completely the opposite, yes we do want to survive physically, but we seek recognition, appreciation, gratitude, and personal relationships. All these aspects are the fruits of our spiritual soul that exists within us, for we are made of two things, the physical body and the spiritual soul, where animals have only their physical bodies.

Alexander the Great, for example was a young warrior from Macedonia, his lived a short life, but his actions were world famous and vast. His entire objective was 'how history will remember me'?

His actions were designed for heroism and the immortality of his name. What kind of an animal cares about what other animals will think or say or remember it? the only motivation it has, is physical survival, it lacks that human soul that puts a staggering difference between the Human and the animal.

So remembrance of name and accomplishments is solely a human character and ambition, and this urge can never be out of any animalistic instincts, but its root is from the spiritual soul that is eternal.

The Wisest of all men, King Solomon famously declared :" There is no difference between the Human and the beast, save The Soul that is destined to give account in front of the King of Kings".

Physically yes, we are like the animals, but God had bestowed within us a heavenly soul, and that soul is so holy and so lofty that it comes form the highest of spirituality, and with it, human beings can rise above the angels and become even more powerful and holy.

Other distinctions would be justice, the search of truth and Logic.

Only human beings have these concepts, and actually care for them and try to uphold them and even die for them. Animals don't care for them , in fact they don't even enter in their thinking process, for all their mind is occupied with how to survive. Humans have compassion, they are willing to do amazing things for the other, to help, to assist, all these traits are universal to all humans, no matter what nation or background, therefore there had to be a first Master Creator with unlimited wisdom, knowledge, and Genius, that had to first envision in his mind a creature like the human, and then set its course to bring it from vision in to reality, and give this human a gift so great and so powerful that it will raise him up to be the Ruler of this Universe, even though many others might be quicker and powerful then him, still this gift ' The Soul' made the human so astronomically superior then all other creatures, that he can rule this world.

That Master creator, had also given instructions to humans by telling them what he wants from them, and what he expects from them.

3300 years ago within The Thunders of Sinai, the God of Israel had revealed himself to millions of people in a national revelation and he gave them his most precious thing, the Torah, the Book of Life.

The Jews must follow all the 613 Commandments mentioned in the Torah, and the Gentiles have to follow only 7 , they are called the 7 laws of Noah, some of them include, not to murder, not to steal, and to establish legal and judicial systems.

We have a clear record, every single civilization in history that didn’t adhere to the Voice of Sinai, and ignored God’s message, were eventually destroyed, such examples are Greece, Babylon, Persia and Rome.
These ancient kingdoms were all pagans, who believed in idols made of stone and wood, they ignored God and his message, and they created their own many gods void of anything divine, and serving only their selfish needs, and not God.


Regards,

Saul

RVCA

I don't understand. Why is it so critical that humans have some sort of higher spiritual purpose?

Guybrush

As a biologist, I see a general philosophy here which becomes rather weak because it's very dependent on the assumption that animals only act on instinct in order to survive. It is your proof that they do not have souls which is what makes humans so special. Yes, the behaviour of animals is generally easier to explain, but clearly there is a physical reason for this. Having great brains is the evolutionary strategy which sets us apart and so we have a much greater capacity for thought and hence abstract thinking. This doesn't mean we're the only animals to ever adopt this strategy. There were many other human species, the most famous of which is Homo neanderthalis. We're not direct descendents of the neanderthal man, but they lived at the same time as our species did. Do you believe they were incapable of having a soul as well?

You can't really know what animals think, but I think you'd probably have to stretch your definition of "behaviour simply to survive" if you want it to encompass all the things animals do in nature. Would you consider this something they only do in order to survive?



In biology, we talk about fitness - it's something we and other animals generally evolve over generations to maximize over time. Fitness is a measure of how much of your genes you are able to perpetuate in the next generations. So, animals evolve to maximize fitness, not survival. For example, I'm sure you've heard of the praying mantis female who famously eats her mate after or during sex. Clearly, survival was not the goal of the male praying mantis, having sex was. Hence, your basic assumption that animals behave only in a way which promotes their own survival is wrong. You could adjust your statement and say that animals only behave in a way to maximize their fitness while humans don't, but I don't think I would agree with that either. Clearly, the human brain makes us capable of adapting to new environments and find solutions to new problems and so on. We have evolved a capacity for abstract thought and that let's us plan for the future and so on which is good for fitness, but as a side benefit, it also let's us have thoughts which are not directly fitness related. There are analogues to this in nature as well, for example it could be that a capacity for enjoyment out of sex (which has a definite fitness benefit) has enabled the homosexual behaviour of the lions in that video up there.

If you know and accept how animals are able to reproduce (animals have babies), change but also retain traits through heritance (we're not exact copies of our parents, so that's observational evidence right there) and compete for finite resources (there's only so much food to go around, for example only so many rabbits on a farm), then evolution simply emerges as a consequence of those things put together. Basically, if you want to say that we haven't evolved in our history on this planet, that is a pretty fantastic statement which should require some extraordinairy evidence. Evolution as a theory is lovely in that besides from being empirically true, it also explains humans very well, even the capacity for abstract thinking and seemingly non-fitness related behaviour that you seem to think of as something unique; a soul.

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Maccabbe

Animal procreation is an act of instinct, there are no ceremonies, marriages, commitments, these are just physical impulses, largely attributed to the instinct to survive, both on an individual and on the entire specie basis.

As to humans, the notion that humans evolved from an ape, or from a fish as some others suggest is erroneous in the most fundamental way.

The main reason is that the assumption is wrong to begin with, why should we believe that he is an evolutionary creature? Because some choose not to believe in God, and therefore they want to explain all creation through an evolutionary process that took billions of years?

Yes, some in the scientific community chose not to believe in God, even though there is no evidence to suggest that God doesn’t exist, furthermore, it is not the business or duty of science to become theologians and to preach to all of humanity to forget about God.

If some scientists choose not to believe, then that’s their choice, but they have no right to formulate unfounded and unproven ‘theories’ that try to brainwash humanity on a grand scale believing that these ‘theories’ are facts. But they are not facts, the word ‘Theory’ is not ‘fact’ its speculation and hypothesis, but not logical irrefutable evidence.

Our entire life on this planet rests on one thing, the distance of the sun from our planet. Any change in that distance will either freeze us or burn us, what are the odds that this distance was so perfect accidentally to enable life on this planet?

Zero.

There are no chances with things like that, there is only will, purpose, and that creates meaning.

The will is from The Master Creator, the purpose is to have life in this world, with the emphasis to the Human Race, the highest of all creations, and the meaning is to follow God’s plan and instruction in this world. We are not here for no purpose, every intelligent design that we human beings posses, like cell phones, computers, calculators, watches, ovens, airplanes, cars and so on, were designed by intelligent people for a specific purpose. All these human creations pale in comparison to the greatest creation in the universe, the human being, pure genius on the highest level, how can anyone claim that he wasn’t created by a master designer and creator, and how can anyone suggest that this creation has no purpose.

For without God in our lives, there is no purpose.

And please don’t think of science so greatly, science is still very very very primitive in our understanding of our planet, its great wisdom, and its great secrets that are hidden within nature, let alone the entire Galaxy that we are situated in , and let alone the entire universe that we live in.

The scientists are sitting on planet earth and they think that they have all the answers in the world about the secrets of existence, so it would be proper to be a little humble and accept that there is way more that science doesn’t know , then what it knows.

As to China been a superpower now, well China never attacked Israel and the Jewish people militarily, in fact in ww2 it supported Jewish refugees escaping Nazi Germany, and they gave them shelter. But those nations that I have mentioned all attacked the Nation of Israel, and as the Bible so clearly says in many places, that those nations that attack Israel will be punished greatly.

But China today is a secular country, with lots of Pagan religions and pagan ideologies, and because of that China does have lots of problems, been economically strong is not a guarantee for survival in the long run, the United States was also very strong economically, but now its not, with economy things go up and down, and nothing is for certain. Japan, who sided with Germany in ww2, got two atomic bombs, and the Emperor was outset, and thus Japan and its Kingdom ceased to exist, today’s Japan is a western country, its not the same Japan that it used to be.

As for Rome, by accepting Christianity they didn’t completely let go of Paganism, because the Christian religion is strongly associated with Pagan motifs, such as the belief in virgin births, divine physical gods, and Christmas trees, Halloweens, Santa Claus, Easters, and all these things that have nothing to do with monotheism.

Ultimately, all of humanity in the end will believe in the one true God of Israel as the Prophets of Israel say in many places, with the coming of the Jewish Messiah, spreading the knowledge of God to the four corners of the world.

In the messianic visionary world of the future, there will be no place for those who will not accept God, no more scientific theories that discredit and wage a war against him, no more atheism and the bible is very clear about that in many places.

Regards,

Saul

Janszoon

Nice job avoiding the questions.

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Lucky, he didn't even address me

Guybrush

You clearly don't know what science is; it's methodology, it's ideals or even it's terminology.

Theory in scientific terminology means a theoretical construct which you construct and support over time through scientific methodology; empirical testing. That it is called the "theory of evolution" is not because it's a mere theory like you might have a theory that a certain kind of aliens exist on a distant planet. That's a misconception by those who don't know science. There is also a theory of gravity, but that doesn't mean that whether or not you'll fall down if you jump up is based on mere speculation. In the same way, evolution is observable in many practical ways. We can observe how species (f.ex humans) are able to change even from one generation to the next and we can see and measure how such a change may be directional over time, f.ex through the amplification of a trait. Museums also keep specimens of animals and as someone working in one, I could f.ex go measure the size of squirrels and compare the average size of these squirrels today to the average size of squirrels 50 years ago. Evolution is not some abstract mythical concept; it's there, just like gravity is. Since Darwin formulated his theory of evolution, there's been over hundred years of science with thousands upon thousands of studies adding to it. You simply can't knock that over because it's called a "theory". All scientific truths are. The reason you don't believe in evolution is part, I'm sure, because you don't even know what it is.

And you also seem to think that science is against religion. It's not, but it's aimed towards discovering the truth; the truth which can be tested to be true. If you feel science is anti-religious, it's because the universe with it's laws as we know it and continue to discover it is not consistent with your religious beliefs. Science builds upon a principle of parsimony which is a way of building up an understanding of how we think the world works while trying to make as few wrong assumptions as possible. Today, God doesn't fit well into any scientific theory, but if he/she/it really exists, then it's science's goal to discover and describe God as such in the future.

Actually, the distance from the sun is not always the same through the year and changes over time and how much solar radiation we are exposed to also changes with sun activity. The reason it seems so perfect here is because life on this planet evolves to fit the ever-changing conditions that were and are. Let's say the planet moves further away from the sun and it gets much colder. Some animals which are adapted to cold may be able to survive by adapting and radiating down towards the equator where climate is more similar to the kind you'd previously find on higher latitudes. Should it become too cold for advanced lifeforms to survive on the face of our planet, life would likely continue to thrive for example in the underwater vent communities where geothermal vents heat up the water and where energy is gotten from chemical reactions rather than sunlight.

If this is perfect by design, why is the antarctic basically uninhabitable? Shouldn't that have a nicer temperature like other landmasses?

The belief that sunlight is needed for life has been proven wrong by the existence of vent underwater communities as well as other things, so there you go.

At least the scientists you claim think have all the answers haven't been idle; these are people working to try and uncover how the universe works, adding their studies and results to a greater whole; a greater understanding of our universe. You seem to think scientists should be more humble as to what they think of as truth, but actually they (we) are humble in regards to truth. I can tell you that based on my own experience as a newly educated scientist. It takes a lot of quality control and testing before anything can be concluded to be scientifically true. On the other hand, where is religion's testing of truth? You have some pretty bombastic claims here about how we were created and what our purpose is, where is your quality control? Where is your humility?

Scientists, far from being brainwashed, question science all the time. You, however, don't apply critical thinking to what you believe in. How often do you question religion and how do you determine what's true or not? You're the one who's been brainwashed here, mister.

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Janszoon

Since Tore as already addressed your wild assumptions about the animal kingdom, I'll address the claims in your closing paragraph. First, how do you reconcile what you are saying here with the fact that by the time Rome fell it was a Christian empire not a pagan one? Second, would you care to explain how China, one of the world's oldest civilizations, has managed to be around for so long, to prosper, and to grow into the most populous nation on Earth without "adhering to the Voice of Sinai"? Please feel free to explain India and Japan to me while you're at it.

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s_k

This sounds interesting.
So, what have you experienced that made you so sure that there is a god?

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So right off the bat, I have to assume that there will be absolutely no talking to you. You have just claimed that you have no question or doubt about the existence of god, so what am I going to say that can make any difference? If you want to think like that, go ahead, but it's rather odd to go into a discussion with that kind of attitude.

Such as? All you've posted is nothing that I haven't heard before.

Off to a good start so far. You have just failed to see the difference between evolution and spontaneous biogenesis (the idea that life spawned from non-biological sources). Or you actually don't see a difference between evolution and the big bang theory, which would be rather astounding.

You refuse? I hope you have a better reason for believing in an all powerful supernatural being that controls the universe and everything in it for reasons that remain unknown than, "cause I wanna".

Really? What studies can you show us that support this little theory or yours?

All of which make it possible for humans to coexist in a society (or herd if you will). I don't see why that means that we simply must come from a god.

Indeed? So animals procreating to spread their genes to later generations and competing for mates to decide just which genes will be spread has nothing at all in common with Alexander trying to spread his name through history?

So the Christian Byzantine Empire and the Holy Roman Empire are still around?



Sorry for ignoring the part of your post about Solomon and the Torah and what not, but I don't really appreciate being preached at.

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