This I Believe There is / is not a God (Religious, cover)

BoRox · 09-16-2009, 03:04 PM

Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.

**Janszoon** · 09-16-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BoRox

Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.

Why? Believing that something infinitely more complex than the universe could exist without a creator would be infinitely more ridiculous.

upbeat4life · 09-16-2009, 03:41 PM

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Why? Believing that something infinitely more complex than the universe could exist without a creator would be infinitely more ridiculous.

The universe, as far as we know, is bound by space and time. It had a beginning, it will have an end, and it is expanding, which means that it is finite. A god, by definition, exists outside of space/time and possibly created it, so it would not need a creator. Which "proves" nothing beyond that a god is a conceptually possible cause for the start of the universe.

**Janszoon** · 09-16-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by upbeat4life

The universe, as far as we know, is bound by space and time. It had a beginning, it will have an end, and it is expanding, which means that it is finite. A god, by definition, exists outside of space/time and possibly created it, so it would not need a creator. Which "proves" nothing beyond that a god is a conceptually possible cause for the start of the universe.

Nope. The universe is space and time. There is no outside of it and there is no before or after it.

Barnard17 · 09-16-2009, 03:55 PM

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A god, by definition, exists outside of space/time and possibly created it, so it would not need a creator. Which "proves" nothing beyond that a god is a conceptually possible cause for the start of the universe.

As is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and also the notion that a magical, invisible Unicorn did a magic **** that was the universe. It's no more reason to put faith in such a concept.

right-track · 09-16-2009, 04:10 PM

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As is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and also the notion that a magical, invisible Unicorn did a magic **** that was the universe.

I like this explanation best.

storymilo · 09-16-2009, 04:13 PM

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As is the Flying Spaghetti Monster and also the notion that a magical, invisible Unicorn did a magic **** that was the universe. It's no more reason to put faith in such a concept.

Haha. But you're right, just because such an idea is conceptually possible doesn't mean that it happened.

Barnard17 · 09-16-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BoRox

Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.

Non sequitur. We can't yet answer a scientific question (despite considerably limited capability to test such things) so God must exist?

"Because we can't yet prove something it must be caused by the unprovable" is pig logic.

The correct answer is: we don't yet know where the particles from the big bang came from. Scientific research leads to knowledge and understanding of the big bang and facts and knowledge end there. Further postulation, until science is more advanced and able to look into such things any statements posed as fact on the matter are wholly fatuous. Stop trying, you're making yourself look like an idiot.

~~The Unfan~~ · 09-16-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BoRox

Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.

I count 3 logical fallacies. Are you seriously this dense?

09-16-2009, 03:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
BoRox Groupie Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 23	Janszoon - you're right! Something has to be eternal. Either we believe the atoms in our universe always existed or that an eternal power existed. I think believing that atoms were always here without a creator is pretty ridiculous.