Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

I thought Gnostic meant you believe there is a God but he or she is evil, and a threat to all mankind.

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Howard the Duck

it's more of an impartial, non-judgmental chaotic entity. I shoiulda been clearer - I mean I'm a Gnostic Christian and not just a Gnostic in general. I take in the Gnostic non-canonic Gospels also.

SATCHMO

Aside from nitpicking semantics, I fail to see how anything that you've stated contradicts what I posted.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

In all fairness, there is a basic set of laws that seem to be constant in the universe. Science is very strict on these. If you know the difference from a theory, and a law, and exactly how constant a rule has to be before it's a law, you'll understand that these are pretty well established principles.

Who is going to argue that an atom is not constructed of electrons, neutrons, and protons? Who is going to argue that when something is in a field of gravity that it'll have a force attempting to pull it down? Who is going to argue that motion doesn't create heat, and energy?

My point isn't that the universe is following the rules. My point is that the universe IS the rules, and albeit you can only say they're constant on Earth, and under the broad perception of scientific minds.

When you want to measure a mile, you have to at least trust your measuring tape. Sure, it could be 3/4 of an inch off, or that an inch may not really be an inch by a manufacturer's miscalculation, but it probably isn't. If you sit around being paranoid about the instrument of measurement, you're not going to get anything done in terms of discovery.

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Guybrush

.. Except you don't create energy of course! I know you know this, but since we're nitpicking already.

By the way, I agree with your point. Some people seem so keen on adopting world views and personal philosophies which, rather than enable them in their lives, instead disable them (f.ex "we won't ever know the truth truth so the search for it is futile"). That always seemed tremendously stupid as well as philosophically cheap to me.

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The Batlord

It's intellectual laziness disguised as profundity.

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Thom Yorke

Undecided.

PoorOldPo

I believe in something. I think god is the summation of th universe and that religion cannot be relied on and is an over simplification of something compeltely beyond us as humans. Religion has been completely bastardised by politics. And so to say that you are " religious " sometimes does not mean that you believe in god. Weird world eh?

Also, I believe love is the most important and powerful force in the universe. In a way, love is god. God is everywhere, the chair you sit on, the air you breath, the supernova exploding lightyears away.

yeah...

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Freebase Dali

I agree with that as a matter of practicality, but my point was 'fact means something only to our perceptions'. So at some point, we acknowledge that we believe what we know is a matter of faith in our own perceptions and experiences. While we can logically work out the state of things, even as a whole, our perception of fact has to rely on faith in our mechanism of arriving at fact to begin with.

I realize this isn't relevant in a discussion about belief in god, but that's what I meant by my passing sentence you responded to.

Guybrush

Sounds very poetic, but perhaps not very realistic. Where's the love in a supernova exploding and ****ing up everything in it's cosmic vicinity?

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