Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[adidasss]

Actually I am, yes. Europe has pretty extensive anti-discrimination laws. But even if this did happen, I wouldn't draw a conclusion on the level of xenophobia of an entire nation based on anecdotal evidence...:\

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by adidasss

Actually I am, yes. Europe has pretty extensive anti-discrimination laws. But even if this did happen, I wouldn't draw a conclusion on the level of xenophobia of an entire nation based on anecdotal evidence...:\

I would draw a conclusion on xenophobic hysteria by looking at your posts from 2 to 3 years ago.

But then again, i tend to be overdramatic.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Are you really suprised by this? One of bosses was refused cab service in England because he was American for christs sake.

Are you sure it was that.

Maybe he wanted to go south of the river.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Are you sure it was that.

Maybe he wanted to go south of the river.

Not sure, I think it was more of an extra. he also mentioned the distance was too short to warrant the trip, but threw in "and you're an american" which I laughed at, because the guy voted for Bush, so it was warranted.

[Son of JayJamJah]

They are bigoted people everywhere to suggest America has a higher percentage then any other nation is just a guess and based on reputation one with a low likelihood of being accurate.

Big3; I'll disagree with one thing you said Strongly.

I don't believe "being an aetheist generally means that you're far more biggoted toward religious people than religious people are toward aethists"

I think it's quite the opposite. But at least a push. Most of my fellow atheists, at least those I know, are quite apathetic when it comes to peoples choice of religion\spirituality. Fox example my Wife is a Lutheran and even though her parents always knew I didn't go to church, we never told them I was an atheist. She felt it would have upset them.



^^^^^^^^^^This is why (these type of) Religious people don't understand Atheists and why the loud Atheists of today i.e. Dawkins, Hitchens etc. are so fed up.

The truth is about Atheism is that it's skepticism really. It's investigation and humility and the willingness to just not know.

That poster suggests Atheists believe in nothing and that everything just happened magically. But really it's a matter of not knowing and not just going with some made up bullshit theology that comes from a book that promotes Racism, Murder, Condemnation, Sexism and Prejudice (All western religions here).

(This part not to you Big3, but just to bring it back round.)

It's a choice just like marriage, gay or straight, is a choice. A choice made by one human to marry another and it's none of anyone else's god damn business but theirs. To differentiate from who gets to make that choice shows a complete disregard for the positive message of equality and compassion for your fellow man that modern religion prides itself on teaching. Here in lies the hypocrisy of religion, the culprit behind the majority of modern discrimination.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

I would draw a conclusion on xenophobic hysteria by looking at your posts from 2 to 3 years ago.

But then again, i tend to be overdramatic.

I wouldn't call myself xenophobic, just critical of certain aspects of your culture.

[TheBig3]

Originally Posted by JayJamJah

That poster suggests Atheists believe in nothing and that everything just happened magically. But really it's a matter of not knowing and not just going with some made up bullshit theology that comes from a book that promotes Racism, Murder, Condemnation, Sexism and Prejudice (All western religions here).

Here in lies the hypocrisy of religion, the culprit behind the majority of modern discrimination.

Aethism, like Christianity, has strong lines drawn between what the title means literally, and the actions of those who self-identify as such.

To put it bluntly, fake aethists hate fake religious people.

if a literal aethist were to encounter a literal christian (for the sake of argument), they likely wouldn't find much disagreement.

An aethist doubtful, and a christian humble with the knowledge that their belief system is not very logical.

But this isn't what we see in reality and the self-identified Aethiests like Bill Mahr go make movies about how dumb religious people actually are.

Their biggoted. Your belief in religion has always been a private thing, regardless of what it was. You bring it outside to make it a political issue and to segregate.

I understand them being fed up, but you either sink to a level or stand on principle. I read Hitchens book at least, and his points are valid, but the bredth of aethiests aren't as civil.

[streetwaves]

I guess I don't see why atheists need to approach something with civility that is one of the main causes of hatred, division, and violence in the world. Especially when many people still want to have religion taught over what we know to be truth.

[Anteater]

Not all Christians fall into that Bible-Belt BS that many stereotype them to be, just as not all atheists are simple-minded, apathetic wannabe scientists who cannot see beyond the ends of their own noses. But I think this thread is getting off topic now...

streetwaves: what you consider truth may in fact be mere delusion. The same can be said of all systems of belief and thought.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

But this isn't what we see in reality and the self-identified Aethiests like Bill Mahr go make movies about how dumb religious people actually are.

Bill Mahr is not a self-identified atheist, he's a self-identified agnostic or apatheist depending on which interview you listen to.