Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

kaleidoscope.. · 11-24-2008, 05:02 PM

Yes and no..which civil rights battles are you referring to? Women?..African americans?..

When I commented on the PC cycle and minorities my intention was not to discredit civil rights etc..it was to simply say that we cant have everyone who is a minority thinking that they can change government legislation and law to fit into their preferences..

I was making the point that just because they want to and they think its right doesnt meant they can do it....

There is truth and not everything is relative to how you feel or what you want...

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-24-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

When I commented on the PC cycle and minorities my intention was not to discredit civil rights etc..it was to simply say that we cant have everyone who is a minority thinking that they can change government legislation and law to fit into their preferences..

I was making the point that just because they want to and they think its right doesnt meant they can do it....

Why not?

Isn't the point of a government to represent ALL it's people?

adidasss · 11-24-2008, 05:03 PM

anticipation · 11-24-2008, 05:07 PM

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Its not a matter of civil rights..... sorry to surprise you but there is right and wrong...there is absolute truth... not everyone can go around doing whatever they want..

sorry to suprise you but there is no right and wrong, there is no absolute truth, and everyone does go around doing whatever they want.

seriously, is there some giant boulder that the collective public with social and emotional iq's below 70 all live under?

simplephysics · 11-24-2008, 05:08 PM

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seriously, is there some giant boulder that the collective public with social and emotional iq's below 70 all live under?

church.

**Janszoon** · 11-24-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

Yes and no..which civil rights battles are you referring to? Women?..African americans?..

I am referring to any civil right battle that has involved a minority.

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Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

When I commented on the PC cycle and minorities my intention was not to discredit civil rights etc..it was to simply say that we cant have everyone who is a minority thinking that they can change government legislation and law to fit into their preferences..

Right. And I was saying "fuck civil rights" because that is precisely what the kind of opinion you are espousing here leads to, the fucking over of the civil rights of minorities.

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I was making the point that just because they want to and they think its right doesnt meant they can do it....

What you are doing is digging a deeper hole for yourself. You are making the exact same argument that fans of the status quo always make when a civil rights issue is raised.

~~The Unfan~~ · 11-24-2008, 05:26 PM

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Good convo..
Western society was built upon 'the family' and marrige...
Im kind of used to the fact that ***s can marry and whatever, it doesnt bother me any more. But i do think that it is making something (marrige/the family) that our countries were built upon into a meaningless farse.
i dont understand why people need to feel like they are accepted by society (***s being allowed to get married) when they know that they arent..if this PC cycle of looking out for the minority continues we are going to have every weird little group with their strange ideas wanting new legislation and laws to cater to their needs and wants.
just putting the other side out there...

America (**** the rest of the western civilization!) was founded on freedom from religion and tea taxes. Family has nothing to do with either and it is important to get rid of all religious notions of what marriage stands for in context of how the government treats marriage. Once you do that, then the only issue ever should be consent. If people consent to being married it should be their right. Any other stance on the issue is just bigoted.

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 11-24-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

Its not a matter of civil rights..... sorry to surprise you but there is right and wrong...there is absolute truth... not everyone can go around doing whatever they want..

hahahahahahaha

kaleidoscope.. · 11-24-2008, 05:48 PM

If everything is relative to how I feel/think about something then if i feel/think that its right to go steal your wallet then i should be allowed to do that....because there is no absolute truth. There is no moral compass to let me know what right or wrong..

Im not talking about the specific issue of ***s marrying here just weather or not you think there is some kind of moral compass..some kind of absolute truth...where something is really right and wrong...

simplephysics · 11-24-2008, 05:52 PM

Killing someone is wrong, loving someone is not.

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kaleidoscope.. Groupie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 44	Yes and no..which civil rights battles are you referring to? Women?..African americans?.. When I commented on the PC cycle and minorities my intention was not to discredit civil rights etc..it was to simply say that we cant have everyone who is a minority thinking that they can change government legislation and law to fit into their preferences.. I was making the point that just because they want to and they think its right doesnt meant they can do it.... There is truth and not everything is relative to how you feel or what you want...

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kaleidoscope.. Groupie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 44	If everything is relative to how I feel/think about something then if i feel/think that its right to go steal your wallet then i should be allowed to do that....because there is no absolute truth. There is no moral compass to let me know what right or wrong.. Im not talking about the specific issue of ***s marrying here just weather or not you think there is some kind of moral compass..some kind of absolute truth...where something is really right and wrong...