Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, gay marriage stuff)

[Astronomer]

Originally Posted by dreadnaught

Killing someone is wrong, loving someone is not.

QFTW.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

If everything is relative to how I feel/think about something then if i feel/think that its right to go steal your wallet then i should be allowed to do that....because there is no absolute truth. There is no moral compass to let me know what right or wrong..

Why does there have to be absolute truth for someone to understand that stealing harms the victim? All you need is empathy, not absolute truth.

[kaleidoscope..]

Originally Posted by dreadnaught

Killing someone is wrong, loving someone is not.

And how would you know that, if everything is relative to how a person thinks or feels about that?

What if i thought that killing someone was ok and loving them wasn't... One of them has to be right or wrong?yes?

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

If everything is relative to how I feel/think about something then if i feel/think that its right to go steal your wallet then i should be allowed to do that....because there is no absolute truth. There is no moral compass to let me know what right or wrong..

Im not talking about the specific issue of ***s marrying here just weather or not you think there is some kind of moral compass..some kind of absolute truth...where something is really right and wrong...

So what your saying is you don't have any notion of right or wrong at all , you just need to be told them and then you'll blindly follow.

[Tobias]

Holy crap. And here I thought we were going to have an intelligent conversation, maybe even a civil one. Oh well...hopeful wishing eh?

Anyways...it seems pro-love has won this round...again. Some very good points have arised, and once again the opposition has failed to issue an un-bigoted, un-biased, truelly intelligent counter to the table.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

So what your saying is you don't have any notion of right or wrong at all , you just need to be told them and then you'll blindly follow.

The funniest thing about these kinds of conversations is that the absolute truth people always wind up making themselves look like the worst kind of moral relativists imaginable.

[Double X]

Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

I was making the point that just because they want to and they think its right doesnt meant they can do it....

Eh? As long as it doesn't harm other people then why not? The whole point of civil rights is people should have as much freedoms as possible without inflicting damage on others.

[anticipation]

"whatever morals i believe in should be believed by everyone, and if you don't agree then you are wrong."

<3 humanity.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

I don't ever recall there being mass protests about making murder or theft legal , but perhaps i'm wrong.

Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

If everything is relative to how I feel/think about something then if i feel/think that its right to go steal your wallet then i should be allowed to do that....because there is no absolute truth. There is no moral compass to let me know what right or wrong.

Close. There is no absolute moral compass, but what should be legally permissable in my opinion is that which doesn't cause harm, and that which is consented to. Stealing my wallet causes fiscal harm to me, therefore should not be permissable.