Fruitonica

I do think they should be bailed out, I imagine the social fallout of letting them go down would be enormous. I'm pretty sure the business will change direction, they are a company trying to make a profit, they might be wilfully short sighted, but if their business model is haemorrhaging cash then they will change it.

You know, you keep throwing the word rational in people's faces, but it's only rational in the context of your philosophy, which most people find absurd.

The Unfan

Alright premise 1. Morality is that which makes you happy. Would you then say senseless murder is moral as long as happiness is derived from it? Now what if someone else derives sorrow from senseless murder? We now have two contradictory objective truths. How can that which is objectively true not apply to someone or something in the same realms and dimensions as that which it applies to?

Aside from that, so far it seems that we're using the word to mean the same thing in a different way. You're just using an objective form for that which is subjective. So I ask how can an abstract idea be objective? How can something that doesn't exist within the same realms or dimensions as us be quantifiable and/or measurable by a scientific standard? The brain waves and chemical reactions that occur when you decide that something is either morally good or bad can be measured, but the actual morality of it is something that can not without a set standard. No such universal standard exists.
Premise 2. Morality can be rational. If something is only rational sometimes than it is capable of being irrational. How can something that is objective ever be irrational? A table is always a table. It is never rationally a table or irrationally a table.

Likewise, back to my previous example of senseless murder. If you believe that senseless murder is sometimes rationally moral and sometimes not chances are you have some form of multiple personality disorder and should seek mental help.

Since you seem to promote this ideaology it is rational to conclude that you probably suffer from a mental disability.

sleepy jack

Yeah we're all ignorant sheep Obama followers who don't know anything about his policies and his stimulus package and economic plans actually consists of printing money.

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sleepy jack

Probably because I cared more about addressing the arrogant and stupid half.

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SATCHMO

I think its a decision that should be made (as all future bailout decisions should be) on the basis of how the failure of the big 3 would would affect America's economy in general. Personally I can only speculate on that, but i think the money would be better spent (or saved) elsewhere.

sleepy jack

I don't disagree with the first, hyperinflation is horrible and they really need to examine who they're bailing out and when they do the companies need to be under strict regulation. It's only looking like will make money off AIG because the government owns over 80% of the stock the rest not so much...I've even heard Ford doesn't actually need the bail out they just want it.

Anyway after much leaning both ways I think the auto companies actually in trouble need to get into chapter eleven so they can restructure and if they can't, then tough shit they wouldn't have been very successful in the future anyway. Then we should start putting money towards shifting workers to new industries, like alternative energy!

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Son of JayJamJah

That's a mistake on your part, arrogance and stupidity are to be ignored.

He'll be here all week...

And for the record I agree bankruptcy is just what the MD Rxed.

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sleepy jack

Where are you hearing that they're just printing brand new money off for the bail out?

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kthedrummer

I am pretty sure that this is unconstitutional...I think that is the last thing they would do right now because of the weakness of the U.S. dollar already but you have already stated this I believe...We are going to most likely be seeing deflation anyway over the next couple of years which is good for lower middle class ppl like me but is bad for the country as a whole...the bailout has failed at this point and that may change and they may use some of the 700 billion financial bailout money to help the auto industry...All I know is that the stockmarket is in the ****ter already this morning and I am afraid to even look at my retirement account...Things are really bad for the first time in my life as far as the economy goes...I mean really bad...It is scary when no one seems to have an answer.

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sleepy jack

This is falling apart in the Senate, figures.

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