No, it is you that is wrong (Israeli-Palestinian Conflict) (country, rock)

ProggyMan · 12-29-2008, 11:56 AM

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Israel's government isn't remotely stable. Getting along IS the only solution; if killing each other back and fourth would've solved anything there'd be a resolution by now. Unfortunately it would take generations and generations of peace agreements to get anywhere but mine as well start sometime soon or. I don't agree with him though that this is all Israel's fault seeing as every single country in that region wants them dead (Good job British/French, grouping people with no regard to their history, religious preferences or ethnicity was a GENIUS move.) However I do find it hard to sympathize with Israel completely. You're stupid if you think you can usurp a country and then live happily ever after there.

I'm not defending Israel or saying I think killing each other is the solution. In fact I'm saying just about everything you are.

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The problem here is the violence is completely self-perpetuating and someone needs to just stop. Israel has stronger allies, but when they pull shit like this they're not doing themselves any favors. They have sympathizers but if they keep it up with this constant escalation and indiscriminate killing they're just going to lose those supporters and when that happens (and it will) they'll have no one to blame but themselves. I'm not even going to go into whether or not these attacks are justified or who started what but all they're doing is unifying Palestinians around Hamas. So much for Blair and Bush's democratic peace theory but I don't feel like getting into what right Israel has to attack a democratically elected government.

That democratically elected government also runs a terrorist organization on the side. But yeah, it's all a crapshoot, both sides are at fault and the only way there's ever gonna be peace is if everyone just decides to get along.

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I don't think there's ever going to be peace there (referring to Jerusalem specifically.) Christianity, Judaism and Islam all started there. So if there is a god, good job! I'm sure you'll find out who loves you the most at this rate. That city is a cancer on the world and it's sickening to think that an ancient city and a bunch of old pieces of fiction are the cause of all this.

Well it is a great party town. Not quite Tel Aviv, but close.

ProggyMan · 12-29-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kthedrummer

I know I don't have the answer here...I do know that the U.S. is ridiclously pro-Isreal but really has no isea how deeply the Jews and Palestinians hate each other. I do know that the Palestinians were kicked out of Palestine(Isreal) so the Jews could have their homeland back and were exterminated much like the Jews were exterminated by the Third Reich...that is sick irony. This is a war that will NEVER end until the World does.

Israel didn't exterminate the Palestinians, I think comparing it to the Third Reich is pretty off base. Jews and Palestinians don't hate each other, religuous fundamentalists on both sides do.

TheBig3 · 12-29-2008, 12:03 PM

barring ya_ba's trollhood, I would like to know where you're from.

Comus · 12-29-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spark10036

he is pathetic for judging the israelis? the are the only people on this planet who are not allowed to say "only god can judge us". they are the worst of the worst. they make americans look like democracy fighters. they are the most blood-thirsty nation in the world. they have occupied a country with the only excuse being an ancient myth, about how their ancestors flet from Egypt and moved their 3000 years ago, and they kill the rightful occupants out. they have not a single excuse, and I don't even wonna hear about the holocaust. they had their chance to win my sympathy and they screwed that up. if the palestinians had anyother way to react except from suicide bombings I would be cheering for them, but right now I'm only cheering against israel.

I agree with that but I'd also mention, creating the holocaust 'myth' by blowing it up out of all proportion (by at least three times) and continuing to propagate it through the media.

You can't critizise Israel without eventually degenerating into a "we have suffered oy" argument. The human rights violations, the murder of children and old women is just at a ridiculous level. What's worse is that Israel will never be reprimanded, Yassir Arafat was a great man who truly wanted peace to be his lasting legacy, however it was not to be. Israel's instable, arrogant and frankly barbarian government and people have seen to that.

And at the end of the day Israel has no rights to the land whatsoever, I hope Hamas wins tbh.

sleepy jack · 12-29-2008, 02:29 PM

Three hundred and sixty-four are now dead and roughly 1,400 wounded. Sixty-two were civilians and eight were children. This is basically all you need to know from the current news stories oh and that air strikes are idiotic. I am getting really annoyed how every single news article keeps saying "Israel is doing this in retaliation to this" and they're failing to mention it was just a retaliation for another act, which was a retaliation for another, etc.

Comus · 12-29-2008, 02:33 PM

62 civilions confirmed, and 8 children confirmed, confirmed is a very sly way of saying "it's probably a hell of a lot more but we don't want israel to look bad". When the dust settles it's going to be a lot worse, and I'm pretty certain any man over 14 and younger than 60 will be classified as a combatant.

sleepy jack · 12-29-2008, 02:35 PM

I have a hard time believing air strikes would manage to kill so few civilians.

The Monkey · 12-29-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus

I agree with that but I'd also mention, creating the holocaust 'myth' by blowing it up out of all proportion (by at least three times) and continuing to propagate it through the media.

What are you saying, that 2 million instead of 6 millions jews died in the holocaust? What do you have to back that up?

Comus · 12-29-2008, 02:52 PM

What do you have to back up that 6 million died? I don't want this to degenerate into a holocaust debate.

kthedrummer · 12-29-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Israel didn't exterminate the Palestinians, I think comparing it to the Third Reich is pretty off base. Jews and Palestinians don't hate each other, religuous fundamentalists on both sides do.

I heard this first hand from a teacher I had who was from Palestine. But you are right that I may have been off base. But there were atrocities and they were covered up...you are very smart I wish I had students as well informed as you are.

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