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Old 07-09-2009, 12:52 AM   #191 (permalink)
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well, if he is just making it all up then fuck him.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:20 AM   #192 (permalink)
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This is why cynics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimists.

And yeah, it's a pretty bad state of affairs when so many people are "optimistic" about the world coming to an end.

It's one thing that disgusts me about a lot of Christians, because they not only think the world is gonna end, they want it to happen, they want Jesus to come and take them away while everyone that is different from them burns in hell forever.

And it's also the excuse they use to not really give a f*ck about trying to solve all the problems the world is facing. Global warming? North Korea? Sinking economy? Who cares? Let's not worry about it, Armageddon is coming anyway, right?
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:20 AM   #193 (permalink)
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I believe this bunch of bollocks about as much as I do this scaremongery about the swineflu "epidemic"
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:23 AM   #194 (permalink)
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Well now they're saying there's a million people affected with it in the US but it's not fatal if properly treated.
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:28 AM   #195 (permalink)
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they're saying it's killed 3 here. What they conveniently omitted was the extenuating circumstances.

one had morbid obesity, one had a heart problem and one was asthmatic.

I wonder what they would say if someone crashes into a pole in their car and it turns out they have swine flu......the 4th death from it?
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Old 07-09-2009, 05:37 AM   #196 (permalink)
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Here's my objective review of the video "the 2012 Enigma", specifically for Darkest Hour and whoever may have agreed with him, on any subject, in the history of the universe, ever.

Prior to starting the video, I looked up its creator David Wilcock on google to get a bit of a back story on him so I could better understand his background and previous works. (It helps to contextualize the subject at hand.)
Apart from his own website, all I found were opinions on how big of a crack-pot douchebag he is, which naturally would have created more of a bias if I didn't already think so myself, so I didn't visit those pages. Out of fairness. For the video. Which I'm sure I don't need to watch to have an educated opinion about whether we're all going to die in 2012, but am doing it anyway.
Let 'er rip...


First impression:
"Did I accidentally click on a motivational self-help seminar video?", I thought.
My confusion was shattered with David's earthquake of a joke about an umbilical cord which, on a scale of negative 10 to zero, didn't so much as crack a smile on my face.
This is going to be a long night.

We go through a PowerPoint slide-show of people he's related to and/or knows who're supposed to be similar in appearance to historic figures... Waiting for a connection beyond a traditional "doppelganger" scenario, I'm thrust into a discombobulated anti-connection spider web truly akin to the non-connected point to point line draws between things only assimilated in the brain of a delirious meth addict. Still, I'm waiting for a grand wrap up while hoping he isn't merely inserting as much weird info as possible for the sole purpose of creating intrigue.
I am disappointed yet again.

Dumped into crop circle connections to 2012, I can feel my brain giving instructions to my middle finger, although I keep myself refined and dignified as much as possible while still retaining the ability to not navigate away from this visual grab-bag of occurrences that have been kindergarten pasted together in the form of clues that even Blue wouldn't dare risk his pride following.
Just a note to myself: I wonder if he's compiled these crop circle pictures from his own photography of the actual events (probably not), or from internet sources where, even the least of us know that photo forgery is mainstay. One needs not have even a crop for circles to appear in.... Only Photoshop. Somehow I doubt this guy gave any real time to obtaining even credible photos of events, much less credibility to the events themselves.

As the first video ends, I'm reminded of Darkest Hour's comment that "the first video made a lot of sense." and I somehow think that if the remaining videos turned out to be blank screens for the duration, there will have been more sense made than the first, combined. To the power of 10.

On to video 2:

As he goes into randomly non-connected phenomena involving particle behavior, I begin wondering how this ties into the 2012 scenario. Do I really have to watch the whole mess of a theory, or can I just skip to the end of the last video to witness him saying "And that, my friends, is proof that the world will end in 2012", and resume worrying about more realistic things?
But in the interest of objectivity, I keep watching.
I take note that he is horribly inept at explaining scientific phenomena, and it probably results from the fact that he doesn't truly know what the fuck he's talking about. Again, we have a scenario where a guy vocalizes vague scientific concepts in order to lend credibility to his argument.

Here's a gem:
He says, "So if you ever get worried about electromagnetic mind control or all these silly things that people get focused on..."
In context of this video series, I'd take that gem to the bank and cash in on it. You could use the money to purchase your way into the presidential suite on planet X in before the world explodes in 2012...

He goes on to mention "healers" and an experience he had during a session where they were "healing" a person with a gangrenous toe... and lo-and-behold, his big toe starts hurting. He alludes to people channeling pain between themselves psychically. He ends that with, "So this is real stuff".
I just want to assume that everyone knows about the concept of coincidence, and even a little bit about the concept of your mind influencing sensation in your body. (Test it out. Just bring a spider to someone who's afraid of spiders) Apparently this guy has hasn't. I bet he thinks mass hysteria is the work of extra-terrestrial laser beams.

After that, he likens consciousness having an effect on what happens to you while using his previous mention of a scientific experiment between the effect of disease traveling through glass versus quartz as proof. Call me ignorant, but I don't see the relation between quartz and human consciousness.
(He also says, in context with conscious healing, that when you mess with disease, wash your hands, because it's a very effective means of getting rid of "transmitted energy".)
And all this time, I thought I was just getting rid of germs.

Onward through stuff like "How a psychic can..".
"Black Ops", and "secret experiments" apparently have all the proof, according to this guy. I guess it's still secret because the rational scientific community, using their own experiments, would (and have) disprove(d) them.

Onward..
I had to skip forward through some of the videos, but I'm not going to waste text limits on here remarking on the same crap this guy has been spewing so far. Still waiting for 2012 proof.

Haha.. Xmen. I don't know how this guy attained an audience with this level of Stargate influenced presentation of... oh wait... hahaha "somebody just had a question. I heard it. In my head."
Ok. This is ridiculous.
I'm skipping to the end of the last video so I can wrap this up.

Ah... there was no end. It's just him rambling about the movie "Powder" and other crap.


Darkest Hour:
Ok.. I um... I don't know how you even dreamed up any kind of explanation in your mind as to how this video series would be even remotely a good idea to post on a forum where normal people reside, but if I have any suggestion that would ever do you any good, it is this:

Stop watching that dumb shit.
This video series was worse than watching that snuff film with the Russian kids. It's more horrifying that people like this David character are loose in the world, converting young malleable minds like yours into ET-phone-home philosophies and filling the world with retarded cult-like followers of anti-thinking.
I sincerely hope you make it as a functioning member of society.


I'm going to print this post out, frame it and mount it on my wall.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:45 AM   #197 (permalink)
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Jesus, have you skeptics even been reading the posts in this forum?

Boo Boo, it's very clever to say "Oh well, the Mayans couldn't even predict the collapse of their own civilization, so-". The funny thing is, they did accurately predict the fall of their own civilization........several hundred years in advance........and whom would conquer them. I wish you cared more to read up about this stuff. If you're not going to be objective, then why partake in this discussion?

Veridical, at nowhere in that video did D.W. say the world is going to come to an end. I'll give you credit for at least trying to watch the video, although, since you resorted to name calling within 2 sentences of your critique, it really shows how open minded and objective you were willing to be on him.

I don't think the world's going to end in 2012, and neither does the guy in that video. I guess all of you who are so ravenously maligning any theories regarding 2012 are obviously scared that something might happen in 2012. Otherwise, you'd just skip over this thread. There are more theories than just the doomsday ones. Also, DH is right, it's only the end of the Mayan calendar, and they never said it would be the end of the world. Mayan elders have said those codices have been skewed and twisted by modern interpreters. All, I'm saying is the science of it is pretty freaky. After the initial terror that the world might come to an end, you turn to optimism. I find a lot of optimism in the video The 2012 Enigma. Veridical, obviously you don't see it that way. People will believe what they want to believe. You already made your mind up about the video before you watched it.

Please get your facts straight before you come on here trying to make us 2012 believers look like conspiracy nuts, when you guys don't even seem to know what you're talking about.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:56 PM   #198 (permalink)
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Actually, I find the concept of everyone just instantly turning into hippie douchebags to be way more frightening than the world just blowing up, the latter is actually highly preferable.

And look, it's not like knowing all of the "facts" would really make a difference or change our minds. We understand what the general idea is, I have yet to see any evidence to back it up including the so called 'evidence' that has already been given.

Like you said, people are gonna believe what they're gonna believe, and to be honest, you didn't pick a good place to convert people to your beliefs, I for one think this is all absolutely ridiculous and for the most part it just plain depresses me that people actually buy into this stuff.

I mean the world was supposed to end at least 3 or 4 times during my lifetime alone. It was supposed to end in 1988, it was supposed to end in 2000, and then people said it was 2001, and then it was 07, and the Christian kooks have been postponing the end of the world ever since, they said it would end in 08, and then 09, now they're saying it will be 2010.

And when 2013 comes along, it'll all be about 2016, and then it'll be 2019, and then 2036, and it'll go on and on and on.

It's a never ending cycle perpetuated by the extremely gullible and the lucky sons of bitches who get rich off of it.

You'd think the mere fact that people can't even make up their minds about what exactly is going to happen might be a clear indicator that this is just bullsh*t. Maybe when this day comes and nothing happens, that'll be the day when everyone finally wakes up and realises how f*cking useless religion is and how it hampers the progress of all mankind.

Maybe that's the big event.
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Old 07-12-2009, 02:46 PM   #199 (permalink)
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Jesus, have you skeptics even been reading the posts in this forum?

Veridical, at nowhere in that video did D.W. say the world is going to come to an end. I'll give you credit for at least trying to watch the video, although, since you resorted to name calling within 2 sentences of your critique, it really shows how open minded and objective you were willing to be on him.

I don't think the world's going to end in 2012, and neither does the guy in that video. I guess all of you who are so ravenously maligning any theories regarding 2012 are obviously scared that something might happen in 2012. Otherwise, you'd just skip over this thread. There are more theories than just the doomsday ones. Also, DH is right, it's only the end of the Mayan calendar, and they never said it would be the end of the world. Mayan elders have said those codices have been skewed and twisted by modern interpreters. All, I'm saying is the science of it is pretty freaky. After the initial terror that the world might come to an end, you turn to optimism. I find a lot of optimism in the video The 2012 Enigma. Veridical, obviously you don't see it that way. People will believe what they want to believe. You already made your mind up about the video before you watched it.

Please get your facts straight before you come on here trying to make us 2012 believers look like conspiracy nuts, when you guys don't even seem to know what you're talking about.
Dude... Ok, maybe I just assumed that since the video seems to be about 2012, that the implications were, in fact, that the world would be coming to an end.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if 2012 is just a date and all you people are "believing" in is just a number with some astrological phenomena attached (which I'd more readily agree with), then what's the big fucking deal?
If that's what you're pushing, what's next... start a cult conspiracy about the fact that water is clear in its natural state?
Give me a break.

The David guy, I can't even figure out what the hell his point was.
MY point was that regardless of whether that idiot thinks the world is going to end in 2012 or not... if you lend credibility to the crap that guy thinks he knows, you're just as delusional as he is. It's proven when you can watch those videos and extrapolate some kind of meaning from it, not to mention being able to sit through all of it with a straight face.
Seriously... where did you go to school, the Koresh compound?

Btw... I wasn't actually trying to be objective. My mind was made up before I watched the videos, back when this stupid 2012 crap came out. I was hanging the video out to dry, Einstein.
Yea, I resorted to making fun of the guy within 2 minutes of watching the first video... I think he deserved every bit of it, and I probably went easy on him.
In fact, if you have any kind of theory as to what the hell it is you're actually "believing in", I would like to hear it so I can cut it all down and make some good jokes in the process.

Don't come to a logical environment with that bullshit and complain about the resulting friction.
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Dude... Ok, maybe I just assumed that since the video seems to be about 2012, that the implications were, in fact, that the world would be coming to an end.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if 2012 is just a date and all you people are "believing" in is just a number with some astrological phenomena attached (which I'd more readily agree with), then what's the big fucking deal?
If that's what you're pushing, what's next... start a cult conspiracy about the fact that water is clear in its natural state?
Give me a break.

The David guy, I can't even figure out what the hell his point was.
MY point was that regardless of whether that idiot thinks the world is going to end in 2012 or not... if you lend credibility to the crap that guy thinks he knows, you're just as delusional as he is. It's proven when you can watch those videos and extrapolate some kind of meaning from it, not to mention being able to sit through all of it with a straight face.
Seriously... where did you go to school, the Koresh compound?

Btw... I wasn't actually trying to be objective. My mind was made up before I watched the videos, back when this stupid 2012 crap came out. I was hanging the video out to dry, Einstein.
Yea, I resorted to making fun of the guy within 2 minutes of watching the first video... I think he deserved every bit of it, and I probably went easy on him.
In fact, if you have any kind of theory as to what the hell it is you're actually "believing in", I would like to hear it so I can cut it all down and make some good jokes in the process.

Don't come to a logical environment with that bullshit and complain about the resulting friction.
i was particularly interested in the ancient civilizations and the pine cone reference he was talking about. Also, everything he said about the pineal gland and how it has water in it, with those waves flipping in and out of time space or whatever had me convinced. Not sure if it was true or not though. But the whole second half of his presentation was pretty lame, which made me think he could have been making things up to fit his presentation.
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