VeggieLover

sadistic nutjob: ya, sounds kinda like me.

getting an incurable disease is a totally different situation from the end of the world. For one thing, if you have an incurable disease, you have at least a few hours (usually days, weeks, months or even years) to clean up your life, mend your relationships, finish up your will and die, leaving all your loved ones to mourn you for hopefully more than a few days. The end of the world however....completely different.
It'd be scary as fuck just because noone's ever experianced it before, but since humanity would cease to exist as we know it, who really cares? If we haven't lived our lives to the fullest possible every single day (which, lets face it, who actually does that?) then nothing we do in our final hours can fix that, end of the world or not. For goodness sakes, we shouldn't base our lives trying to figure out when we're going to die, we should base it on the fact that, YES, we are all going to die regardless of what we do, and how do we want to be remembered? and if we won't be remembered, how much fun do we want to have?

PS-recently I've been trying really hard to find a point for living at all, and can't really find one that doesn't rely on someone elses existance being important.... if none of us are individually important, and as a race our existance isn't really important, then fu.ck it we might as well drive ourselves into the ground.

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boo boo

No, it's not, you're going to die.

Not really. Because say the world is gonna end on Decemember 12, 2012. Well that's 3 years right there.

And if you knew that not only are you gonna die, but that all of your loved ones will die, and your children, and it still dosen't bother you. Then seriously, WTF?

If you knew you were gonna die next year or next month or tommorrow, you're not just gonna go on with life, it's gonna inspire you to do something, you might not be crying and moping about it, maybe you'll kill yourself because you'd rather die at your own hands, or you might try to have as much sex and drugs as possible and live the rest of your hours without any consequences, or maybe you'll go the extra mile and just say f*ck everything and go all Grand Theft Auto and sh*t. And I get the impression that you'd probably end up doing the latter. Point is, it's gonna have some kind of impact on you. And if you say otherwise, you're lying.

The point is, if you knew your life would be cut short because of some stupid religious bullsh*t, that everything you have worked for to get from point A to point B was worthless. You're gonna get some kind of emotional response out of it, maybe it's fear, maybe it's sadness, maybe it's anger, but it's gonna be something.

This is pretty much the mindset of every serial killer on Earth, congratulations.

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VeggieLover

goody, i've graduated from sadistic nutjob to serial killer in a mere 15 minutes! hoorah.
I'm saying, knowing that we are going to die doesn't change anything...we already know that. I'm pretty sure every single person who has ever walked the earth has either died or ceased to exist as a human on earth, so woopdy doo, congratulations, death is one of the most predicatable conditions of existance. More predictable than the sun rising even, id say. The difference between "normal" death and "world ending" death is who is left behind. Feelings and grief don't matter anymore if humans cease to exist, so whether you left the world on good terms or not is pointless, no one will be left to remember you. If YOU are the only one dying, then you leave your friends, family, and enemies behind to remember you...and in some sense of the word, that matters. If i knew I was going to die...me individually...that would change how I live life. however, knowing the world is going to end...i probably wouldn't. For one thing, I'd be doing all i could to hold off panic, and the best way to do that would be to continue living as I always had. For another thing, I don't think i could really enjoy the trite trappings of humanity knowing it was all going to be blown up in a few minutes (hours, days, whatever) if there truely was a finite date for its and my existance. I'm not a lyer, im just a bit more apathetic than you.
The only way I would change my behavior would be for religious reasons, but wait, the religion I believe in says im already set...so nope, id be just fine.

And if everyone dies...again...nothing matters. It only matters if someone survives.

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boo boo

Knowing you will die of cancer dosen't change anything but people still worry about it. Why? Because they're f*cking human, everyone that hasn't offed themselves yet has the will to live, and people do crazy things for it. While most people take their lives for granted, that always changes when they think they're gonna die.

Most ways of dying are in fact preventable, the only truly natural way to die is from just plain getting old, people might accept death at that point because they lived a long life. But you haven't yet. And that will inevitably cross your mind if you knew you were gonna die.

You clearly don't value your life at all. And that is sad.

While those are often things people worry about, they're not the only things, nobody wants to die, no matter how it reflects the people around them, if you think that upon death you're only gonna think about other people and not yourself, well personally that is something I also think is complete bullsh*t nobody sincerely believes in, it's just something people say to make other people think they're more carefree and fearless than they actually are. Even if I was the only person on earth, I'd still have the will to live.

I don't believe you.

God.

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CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

veggielover i know its too late in this thread but in the future dont bother actually arguing with boo boo, he cannot comprehend other peoples perspectives in the slightest

boo boo

Well no I can't, I never said I could.

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VeggieLover

do you not read? Do you insist on being insolent to the point that i have to repeat myself??
Cancer...old age...its different because you're leaving someone behind. Our human existence is based soley on social interactions...affirmations of existence through touch, speech, love, hate...its all based on other people. If the other people don't exist, then neither does our "lack of existence." Its not that humans are by nature unimportant (although I'm getting to the point where I might argue this point...it would be fruitless to do so), its that we are ONLY important in a social context. Thats what i mean. Even our relationship with our God(s) is a social one.
As for "nobody wants to die" why don't you try telling that to all the people who have commited suicide in the past month? Why don't you try telling that to about 20% of my friends? I'm betting a lot of money they would love to argue with you.

I only value it in the context of other people. If suicide wasn't the most selfish of all acts, I'd be dead. If i had no hope of ever finding my soul mate, i'd be dead. me myself and i, dont matter. Its you, her, him, they that matter. Since I matter to them, I matter.

If I hadn't read some stuff about your personal life, I'd say you obviously don't know what it's like to be alone. Despite what i know about your life (which is indeed very very limited) i am going to have to assert again that you really don't have any kind of idea what it is like to be completely 100% alone in the world. The worst punishment is not death, it's solitary confinement. How much more would that be magnifiyed if there was not a single person left on the planet for you to cry to? For you to yell at or argue with or cuddle with or confess your stupidity to? For you to kill even. Our minds simply cannot exist in that kind of unpenetrable isolation -- no matter your assertions, the only way we could go on is if we had some kind of hope that SOMEONE else had survived.

congratulations. Your disbelieve probably holds some kind of merit. I'm sure I'd freak out just like everyone else. It still wouldn't do any good.

My biggest fear is ending up like my grandma. I have no desire whatsoever to get old, in fact, a vast majority of my peers share my sentiments. Of course, i highly doubt that we are all going to commit mass suicide when we turn sixty, only the arrogence of youth would be bold enough to say so, death itself does not scare me. The unknown scares me, and thats around every corner. There is no logical reason to fear death that i can see. (note: fear is not logical, so this may be irrelevant, but then, so is this discussion)

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CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

he just admitted that he cannot understand other peoples perspectives, why are you continuing to argue with him? its literally the same as arguing with a wall; a complete waste of your time

VeggieLover

i was writing that while he admitted to having a closed mind... plus arguing with close minded people often gets me to think outside of the box and therefore evolve in my thought process.
However, it is now bed time.

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"Not remotely! Because iocaine comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you."

boo boo

I'm not being closed minded, being closed minded means you refuse to accept someone's perspective. but in this case I am just downright incapable of it.

I just can't understand your perspective no matter how hard you try to explain it, it just makes me think you're crazy.

I'm 23, my life has been a sh*tty one, but I still have the will to live, in hope that one day I can do something with it.

And that's why I don't buy it, if someone as pessimistic and misanthropic as I am can still find some reason to want to continue living, then I don't know how someone who says they enjoy life and would look forward to living longer could sincerely be so indifferent about it.

I just think people who say they believe this are being insincere. People tend to say one thing, and when the fear of death comes they become a totally different person, that kinda fear brings out the worst basic instincts in people. If people knew of an exact date for the world's destruction, they would all lose it. Because that's human nature.

And while that may seem frightening, I find the idea of someone who claims not to be vulnerable to that fear to be way more frightening. Because these are the kinda people who don't really value their existance at all, and those are the kinda homocidal maniacs who are wreaking havoc on the world as it is and just don't care.

Even if the world is a bunch meaningless chaos. Hope is all the human race has to keep going. No matter how much life sucks, trying to hold some kind of value in life is important to survival. And if you value your life, you will fear for it, there's no exceptions.

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