Freebase Dali

LOL...
I don't see anything special about planets aligning other than the fact that it doesn't happen often.
My crap doesn't come out bright yellow all the time, but when it does, I gotta admit: It's cool to look at and the only worry I have is what I ate to make that happen.

The planets being aligned won't have any effect on gravity.
What's actually funny about this is I recently read a hoax that happened a long time ago in Britain regarding this very same thing.
Here it is:

Planetary Alignment Decreases Gravity
In 1976 the British astronomer Patrick Moore announced on BBC Radio 2 that at 9:47 AM a once-in-a-lifetime astronomical event was going to occur that listeners could experience in their very own homes. The planet Pluto would pass behind Jupiter, temporarily causing a gravitational alignment that would counteract and lessen the Earth's own gravity. Moore told his listeners that if they jumped in the air at the exact moment that this planetary alignment occurred, they would experience a strange floating sensation. When 9:47 AM arrived, BBC2 began to receive hundreds of phone calls from listeners claiming to have felt the sensation. One woman even reported that she and her eleven friends had risen from their chairs and floated around the room.

This is proof that people are so gullible they can even be tricked into experiencing something that isn't even happening.

It's sad.
Don't be one of those people.

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Wifey Boozer

Or maybe they just got some really bad LSD from Nostradamus.

Sorry, that's a different conversation.

But on the contrary. I'm gonna run with the notion that scientists didn't back this guy on BBC up, right? I'm not saying we're in for Armegeddon here. I'm saying, the world's **** now, it's gonna get worse. The economy will continue to plummet, people will starve and lose whatever sanity they have left, politics and democracy will eventually fail to have the illusion of "working", more devastating weather conditions will happen all around the world. It's all ready proven that eventually we will lose Florida, Manhatten, most likely New Orleans, or at least part of it. Anything on the border of an ocean, in my line of thinking, will eventually be lost. The planet Earth will eventually become a floating (or none floating, if the drastic portion of the 2012 theory persists to happen) ball of water. Water levels are rising, tides are changing because of the moon, the orbits are ****ed up, the Earth is continuing to "wobble" off it's axis. That can only happen so much until something ****s up, right? Polar ice caps are melting, and on the contrary, parts of the world are experiencing extreme drought. There has already been devasting hurricanes, tsunamis, just in the past 20-30 years. As the weather conditions get worse in the world, man-powered pollution contributing to global warming and what have you, imagine what the next atrosity's effect will have on the already depleting world.

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Surell

I dunno, the economy for the past couple of days has shown improvement. I missed the news yesterday though.

Edit: +53 today. Economy id doing fine right now, and I mean that in the sense of improvement from the depths it was declining into.

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Wifey Boozer

I'm pissed because cigs went up another dollar something. Gas is still pretty bad here if you're a one income, middle-class family, 4 people. Love Obama, but haven't been feeling any help from him. Not gonna happen overnight, but it's as if I watch the news every day, and every day I see the world crumble a bit more.

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sleepy jack

I haven't paid much attention to the specifics of this issue as I thought, and still think, it's utter bullshit. That and I've never had much faith in the Mayan calendar or Nostradamus. I'm sure with a little googling I could find all I need to know but everyone, including you, let's think critically think this.

First off, when has this happened before? When has there been mass extinction? On who? Humans? Why are we still here today then if we were all extinct? Evolution managed to produce mankind twice just in time to wiped out? Or are we talking all species; in which case how is there life on planets? Sources please.

Secondly, where did you get your information that the sun, moon, earth and the Milky way would all align in 2012? Is this even possible? The universe isn't a perfect sphere, you can't draw a perfect equator line through it. It's an irregular grouping of stars, gases, and dust. The line we have, the galactic equator, is completely arbitrary, so basing this off that would completely foolish as it's something man-made and has no effect on anything other than the human hubris.

Thirdly, where did you found out about these three eclipses? NASA has reported no such information and they have information going for thousands of years and predictions on these sorts of things. I'd be interested to see which source has more intelligence and know how than NASA, who have some of the smartest people in the world at their disposal.

Fourthly, how will these solar eclipses cause a loss of technology? They haven't done any such thing before, it's unprecedented. Once again, sources, sources, sources.

Fifthly, how would this hypothetical loss in technology lead to cannibalism or an outbreak of chaotic violence and anarchy? Most humans, especially in civilized industrial nations, are lazy and would most likely lock themselves up in their home scared if all the sudden there was a global loss of electricity.

Sixthly, you refer to history. How can historical events logically effect or be effected by cosmic events (barring the utterly obvious, like we need the sun for plant life, and those sort of things?)

It only takes five minutes of searching, or just reading the thread, to see all this is based of the Mayan calendar and was later supported by Nostradamus, who was no more than a charlatan. Do you honestly believe that the Mayan civilization and Nostradamus, would know better than modern astronomy and NASA? Who have historical evidence of astronomical events and telescopes and everything at their disposal?

I'm now going to repeat myself: "the boogie man isn't real, kids." Never in history has the Bible, Torrah, or Qu'ran, or Nostradamus, or superstition, "faith", psychic predictions, Jerry Falwell or the Mayans predicted anything more accurately than what can be attributed to observation or simple chance.

Now this is just absurd nonsense. You're trying to connect economic events to global warming. The only relation is the solution is political, but the issues are be approaching by different experts (economists and environmentalists.) We've been through depressions before, only this was in much different than previous ones as were dealing with global capitalism. It isn't anything to cry over, fiscal matters aren't the end of the world. If you had any understanding of how economics worked and what was going on with this recession you'd understand it doesn't point towards the apocalypse. It points towards greed and corruption.

Global warming however is something of concern and of course if the polar ice caps completely melt and the world heat's up were all fucked, but this won't happen in the next four years and it has nothing to do with the economic situation were in or 2012.

You're not going to feel anything from Obama because the stimulus package hasn't taken effect yet. You won't get a tax break until April 1st (tax day is April 15th) so you'll feel something then, and of course when the stimulus package starts to actually take effect. For someone who supposedly watches the news you should know this.

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Surell

Gas can't be as bad as it was a few months ago up there. I know it's halved down here, was more than that a bit ago.

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Freebase Dali

Gas is going up slowly here, but yea it dropped by half right before I came back from Europe. So that made me happy.
But now this Cig tax...
I'm wondering why smokers are being targeted.
If it's because nothing good can come from smoking, well ****, I hope you guys don't mind paying an extra 60 cents for 90 percent of everything you do on a daily basis...

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Surell

Well cigarettes have been a major target for years because not only do they give you a horrible illness, it gives people you're around it too. They also do all kinds of things about smoking all the time, like smoking areas and whatnot.

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Wifey Boozer

So why are you here? I'm don't mean to veer this conversation toward a personal attack, though I feel as if when a member posts something you disagree with, you feel the need attack them as if you've been threatened or something. But let's get into this 2012 thing then...

Why? It just seems fishy to me personally that brilliant astronomer's such as the Mayans, so advanced for their time, came up with these theories, these "predictions", scribbled them on walls in ways God knows how people have interpreted them, and then X amount of centuries later, Nos shows up with his ramblings that so closely resemble that of the Mayans, before they had been interpreted likewise. Since the beginning of the homosapian life, we've found scribblings on cave walls, of "UFOs", "gods", what have you. Different religions throughout the centuries, even before cultural diffusion and crusades... all, perhaps with the exception of very little, having something in common: Predictions of the end of days, some kind of worship of a higher power, etc. Isn't that a big coincedence? Or is it the same thing as the government thing... people couldn't control and govern themselves so they needed a higher power to do it for them. Since the beginning of time, people have wanted answers and seeked them, perhaps with paranoia that wasn't so off-the-wall or far-fetched. On the same note, is it not a coincedence then, that when people were, getting sick of the church (per se), government became "stronger", resembling more what it is today. Stalin had a country of atheists.

To answer your questions, I went searching. Where I originally heard the 26,000 theory was on The History Channel... I've found the link to the entire documentary (if that's what you want to call it) on youtube, if you wanna go through and find the scientist/astronomer/philosopher's name that said the 26,000 year thing. YouTube - nostradamus 2012 history channel . He wasn't under oath or anything, but I didn't have a conspiracy against the History Channel until just 5 minuets ago when it made me look like an *******.

The alignment thing is from astrologer John Jenkins, who claims that in2012 there will be "an extremely close conjunction of the northern hemisphere winter solstice sun with the crossing point of the Galactic equator and the ecliptic". The Milky Way thing is mentioned in great detail, here: Strange Rumblings at the Center of our Galaxy, not where I heard it, but explains it better than I do and is what I'm essentially trying to say about that.


Again, didn't have a conspiracy theory against the History Channel until 5 minuets ago... but on the contrary, a big thanks to Ken E. from yahoo answers, who also makes me personally looks like an *******, but provides some answers.

It was said, that during this "blackening eclipse", or one of them, the Earth would be just so in the alignment of the universe so that gravity would somehow (I'm not a scientist, I'm paraphrasing, surely you don't expect me to explain E-mc2 either) suspend itself and the satellites would fall, crash, and disable our electronics/technology through electronics.

My apologies, my wording was poor in my previous posts. I wasn't trying to say loss of technology would lead directly to cannabalism or any of that. What I was saying, or trying to, was that the world will be in a very bad place, worse than it is now. I do not see the world getting better. And being an awful pessimist, a depressive with secret dreams of one day dictating Russia (for the better!), I do not foresee it getting better on the whole. People starve everyday in mass portions. Sooner or later, it can be theorized easily that they should turn to cannibalism. History repeats itself, right? (I do not remember from Global 10 what war or battle it was where so many people were starving and dead, that they just had to resort to eating each other?) I agree with you 100 percent that the economy boils down to corrption and greed, my response above was worded poorly to say the least, in a ranting style. Astronomy is not directly effecting the economy, I do not believe. But, I theorize, that "astronomy", or whatever one prefers to call whatever the hell goes on with the weather (the tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, volcanos, global warming, melting ice caps, warming ocean water from intense heat from the sun per the broken ozone, drought, all that and more) has much to do with global conditions on the whole. And bad conditons such as listed above, affect the population. The population kind of controls the economy, or whatever money they're given. (Arguably, the middle class controls the economy, but that's a story for another day). So, see what I'm getting at? It all boils down to one thing. Or, I wish it did, so I could have an answer. I'm one of those people.


I feel as if I explained that in the above paragraph.

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Wifey Boozer

I bet Nostradamus knows more about the time period he lived in than NASA does. NASA is NASA, don't get me wrong. But don't ask an English teacher a Math question. (Yes, I'm a socialist.) What I'm trying to say... NASA knows their ****, no doubt. But what you neglect here, is what people, or NASA, or the government, possibly is not telling us. I don't believe 2012 will end the world. But I believe the world is not getting better. I give the Mayans and Nos their props for being them in the time periods they lived in. But your question I'm assuming is, who do I think is more credible? Well. I think Nostradamus knows more about his time period than anybody who lives in this one. And I wouldn't ask my English teacher to explain E=mc2.

Well, I disagree. It's all a matter of how one percieves all that's being put out there. Of course you've heard the famous Nos prediction "fire in the sky, world will end" connected to the world trade centers and 9/11? And the hiter/Hitler thing?


That's not necessarily true. If someone's poor, they're poor, and maybe they can't be helped, no matter how many tax breaks they get, or how many hands reach out to them. Not saying I'm in a posistion like that, but many are. In the world as well as America.

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